If Secession Was Illegal - then How Come...?

The Patriotist ^ | 2003 | Al Benson, Jr.

[Non-Sequitur]

I had come across some of those figures before, for example the statistics on food imports from the midwest and west. The confederacy wasn't self sufficient in food.

Georgia was. Or are you suggesting that the area around Andersonville was marked by famine and starvation?

[4CJ]

"It was not Jefferson Davis or any subordinate or associate of his who should now be condemned for the horrors of Andersonville. We were responsible ourselves for the continued detention of our captives in misery, starvation and sickness in the South."
Charles A. Dana, Assistant Secretary of War, in the New York Sun, cited by Mildred Lewis Rutherford in Facts and figures vs. myths and misrepresentations : Henry Wirz and the Andersonville prison, p. 23

James Madison Page, in his True History of Andersonville Prison page 106, says:

"Many of the prisoners, being but human, raised their clenched trembling hands towards heaven and with fearful oaths cursed the authorities at Washington, and the day they were born. Oh, what hatred was engendered for our Secretary of War.
ibid, p. 20

Mr. Dana said: "This proves that it was not the Confederate authorities who insisted upon keeping our prisoners in distress, want, and disease, but the commander-in-chief of our armies." (ibid, p. 23)

[4CJ]

In contrast to a certain President that kept his son out of battle, Confederate General Robert E. Lee ordered his own son, Robert E. Lee Jr. to man a battery, which had lost several guns and withdrawn from the battle. His son asked if they were to be sent in again, and Lee responded, 'Yes, my, son, you must do what you can to help drive these people back."

[Aurelius]

"Is it just me, or didn't the unjustly-dealt-with confederacy fire on Fort Sumter FIRST, starting the war?"

They may have fired the first shot, but they were manipulated into it. Much like the Japanese in WWII.

[Non-Sequitur]

In contrast to a certain President that kept his son out of battle...

George H.W. Bush???

[Non-Sequitur]

But Lee did make sure that his oldest son, George Washington Custis Lee, spent the entire war safe and secure on the personal staff of Jefferson Davis. Custis spent the war in Richmond, primarily catering to his mom, for which service he was eventually elevated to the rank of Major General. He remained there until March 1865 when he was finally assigned to Ewell's corps. He promptly surrendered hin command at his first opportunity, Sayler's Creek.

[Grand Old Partisan]

There was no fighting at all anywhere near Andersonville until the very end of the war, so rebel excuses for allowing the prisoners there to starve were lame. Even the Nazis fed American POWs.

[WhiskeyPapa]

The rebels stole food and medicine intended for Union POW's. It was futile to send such aid.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

Both Wlat and his chief apprentice garbage_truck now jump to Bill Clinton's defense on a regular basis now.

When have I --ever-- defended Bill Clinton on FR?

You -could- bump your more outrageous insults to me.

Walt

[stand watie]

YEP. the damnyankees were/ARE great examples of DIShonor and hypocrasy.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

BTW, hang on to your copy of your book. i'm told there are four (4) copies total left for sale. it is out of print.

free dixie,sw

[WhiskeyPapa]

Where individual human beings have no rights, "state's rights" are laughably irrelevant.

Bingo.

Walt

[stand watie]

ROTFL! you win the PINK POPCICLE AWARD for the most ignorant, arrogant, stupid, irrelevent and FALSE post of the day.

chattal slavery caused the WBTS in precisely the same way that fish cause floods.

there was just ONE main cause for the war: FREEDOM for dixie & her people.

until the rise of the south-hating,marxist-leninist,statist REVISIONISTS in the 1960s, NOBODY in academia would have even suggested that the war was to "free the slaves";they would have been laughed out of the ivy-covered halls, even in damnyankeeland.

suggesting that the WBTS was about freeing the slaves is analogous to standing up in a public forum and yelling that the American Revolution was about not paying a tax on tea.

in 1860, per a lecture in 2001 by Dr. Walter Williams,professor of economics at George mason University,there were in the WHOLE country about 10,000 people total who cared a damn about the plight of the slaves (NOBODY, of course, asked the slaves); very few would have fought one skirmish over the dying institution and almost NOBODY would have fought a war, which caused the death of a MILLION people (about 1/2 of them civilians, btw.) over the demise of the "peculiar institution".

face it, burr5, you've been LIED TO and are a victim of a "pubic screwl edumakation", nothing more, nothing less.

try saying over and over to yourself: "i've been lied to and made a fool of", "i've been lied to and made a fool of", "i've been lied to and made a fool of" until the TRUTH sinks in. you'll eventually get it!

free dixie,sw

[rustbucket]

The rebels stole food and medicine intended for Union POW's. It was futile to send such aid.

As opposed to the Yankee prison commandants that blocked such shipments from getting to the Confederate prisoners? I imagine if the North agreed to Ould's offer that food, clothing and medicine shipments could have been coordinated and security arranged.

In a repeat of his offer, Ould suggested that the Federal surgeons bring the medicine with them so that it was sure to reach the Federal prisoners. He offered to buy medicines for the Federal prisoners at two or three times their price in gold, cotton, or tobacco. The humane North never took him up on this offer.

[stand watie]

YEP. of the group of damnyankee-apologists, only 'ole N-S is bright enough to KNOW the truth, but he is an intelligent propagandist for the damnyankee cause;that makes him dangerous to the cause of LIBERTY for dixie.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

as usual, your post is patently FALSE.

even the National Park Service, no friend of dixie liberty, agrees with me on that.

by 1865 there was nothing to feed/clothe/house our own troops, much less anything to feed/house/clothe POWs, who President Davis had offered to FREE un-conditionally in 1864.

sadly, for you and the other damnyankee apologists, the ORIGIONAL records of the offer to free ALL the US POWs still exists and is on public display at Camp Sumpter, Andersonville, GA. the letter from Stanton, REFUSING to accept the US POWs also still exists;the origional letter is at the US Archives.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

WP voted for both wee willie & albore, by his own admission.

free dixie,sw

[rustbucket]

Georgia was [self sufficient in food]. Or are you suggesting that the area around Andersonville was marked by famine and starvation?

I see. Then there was no need for the cattle drives from Florida to supply meat to Georgia and the troops. Shame the Confederates didn't know. Florida Cow Cavalry

[stand watie]

N-S HATES it when he gets caught in a self-serving LIE!

recently he denied that the Black confederate Soldiers Memorial Foundation EXISTS. BUT he had POSTED comments on the FR thread about the org.!!!!!

i LOL!

free dixie,sw