[gdebrae]

For now, Rev 7:9-17 is one group a great multitude which no one could count,...who come out of the (30) great tribulation...and (42) God will wipe every tear from their eyes." These are the raptured saints, in my pre-wrath rapture viewpoint.

Is this the same group mentioned in I Thess 4?

[Starwind]

For now, Rev 7:9-17 is one group a great multitude which no one could count,...who come out of the (30) great tribulation...and (42) God will wipe every tear from their eyes." These are the raptured saints, in my pre-wrath rapture viewpoint.

Is this the same group mentioned in I Thess 4?

In my pre-wrath rapture view, yes. The great multitude of Rev 7:9-17 were raptured as per 1 Thes 4:16,17 and 1Cor 15:52.

The problem with my pre-wrath view is it doesn't coincide with the 'last trumpet' of 1 Cor 15:52. Other rapture viewpoints have other problems. - still working on all this :-)

But I don't think that bears on my views of a literal thousand year millennium or Satan being unbound now.