Is Satan Bound Today?

BibleBB ^ | Mike Vlach

[RnMomof7]

Actually it was YOUR side that did it because you were getting killed ..you guys do it all the time..BUT that is OK..because those with ears will hear no matter whener you try to hide it..

[BibChr]

I don't personally expect to. But "how (I am)" is I am a Christian disciple (= student). I don't go to the Bible to impose my systematics on it; I go to learn from it.

Bow the knee before God and take Ezekiel 40-48 seriously and reverently, as verbally inspired, and it appears that God plans to enable the building of a temple that will have animal sacrifices.

Bow the knee before your own imagination and biases, and there's no telling where you'll end up.

Dan

[Revelation 911]

The perceptions of emotionally immature, self-focused mentalities are not reality.

cant post where I called you a liar ? - still waiting....now the namecalling tells me youve run out of legs

[Starwind]

If you are charging us with "forcing" our interpretation on the passage, then you most certainly ~must~ show us why your interpretation is the ~NECESSARY~ one!

No I don't. This isn't about my interpretations. This is about you explaining yours. You invited examples of your forced interpretations. You've been given them (in post #2564 and a subset again in post #2594). You must show how your interpretations are not forced. I provided your (and other amil's) statements showing your forced interpretations. You explain how those interpretations are not forced. You have avoided explaining each one of your interpretations to date. Now please do explain, as per your invitation.

"How do their non-resurrected physical bodies have a life span of a thousand years?" Another "straw man" argument! We never claimed that their "physical bodies" have a "life span" of a "thousand years". We simply say, as John 11:25,26 tells us, "they NEVER die"! Obviously, John 11 is not meant to be understood as their physical bodies never dying!

Your forced interpretation claimed they never died, nor were resurrected, but lived with Christ a thousand years. So, if John 11 is not meant to be understood as their physical bodies never dying, how does your answer explain "How do their non-resurrected physical bodies have a life span of a thousand years? How do their physical bodies never die throughout the thousand years? If their physical bodies never die and John 11 obviously doesn't address physical bodies never dying, then you explain your forced interpretation as to how they never die physically.

You've not explained why the thousand years must be symbolic and why there must two different symbolic thousand years periods.

You've not explained how the dead given up by the sea weren't physically dead at the white throne.

You've not explained how any one not resurrected, who did not live again, has physically lived for a thousand years, or for two thousand-year periods.

You've not explained what is Christ who is our spiritual head, teaching us in this metaphor of believers in Christ testifying to Him, rejecting Satan, and yet losing their metaphorical heads to an already bound Satan?

You've not explained how Satan is bound now.

You've not explained how his binding is only partial, why simultaneously stating Scripture has already told us that Satan is bound: Matthew 12, Mark 3, 2 Peter 2 and Jude 6.

Now you explain your interpretations.

[RnMomof7]

Bow the knee before God and take Ezekiel 40-48 seriously and reverently, as verbally inspired, and it appears that God plans to enable the building of a temple that will have animal sacrifices.

Sorry Dan . That would mean the Holy Spirit was a liar in Hebrews ..I have a God that does not lie..

[Seven_0]

"If you equate resurrection and regeneration, I can see why you'd say that. Those who are dead physically do need resurrection. Those who are dead spiritually need regeneration. A subtle difference, but an important one."

I suspect that all saints will have part in the first Resurrection, the wording in Rev 20:6 would seem to allow this, my problem is in 1 Cor 15:22 "For as in Adam all die,..." How do you get around the "all die?"

[Corin Stormhands]

Who will be the one to put it down first?

My hands are far from clean in this matter. But you know darn good and well I tried to put it to rest months ago.

But for now, Matchett-PI has been hounding Rev after he posted a prayer request. She thinks it's funny that he's been abused. You're a nurse Mom. You've seen the abused and the abusers. Tell her she's wrong.

And I've got a copy of the freepmail she mis-quoted.

I've been trying to leave these threads until after Christmas, but I keep getting pinged back into the fight. I'm willing to leave.

But whether I'm here or not won't change the simple fact that MPI is a liar and that doc is deranged.

[Revelation 911]

Im done ma

[BibChr]

Prove it.

[RnMomof7]

Thanks Rev..I have been waiting for someone to quit this foolishness..

[Corin Stormhands]

I'm gone too.

[RnMomof7]

Both CAN Not be true...eithor Jesus is our High Priest that sat down when it was finished or he is not..

Hbr 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hbr 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hbr 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.
Hbr 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hbr 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hbr 10:15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hbr 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hbr 10:18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
Hbr 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Hbr 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Hbr 10:21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
Hbr 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hbr 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised;)
Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hbr 10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
Hbr 10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
Hbr 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
Hbr 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
Hbr 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Hbr 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.


Think on this dan...you pull us back with your doctrine..

Hbr 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.



Hbr 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

[gracebeliever]

You statement that before Paul's teaching salvation was unknown is pure crap.

You make summary judgments without understanding what I said, which is absolutely true. I don't have the time, interest or inclination to respond to you or Jude24's assinine statements either right now or in the near future.

The reason is that last Friday night I took my wife to the hospital and she has been in intensive care since with several of her organs having failed with a rather bleak prognosis for recovery in the flesh. I am comforted that she is saved by grace through faith and knows the hope she has in Christ. Maybe that makes me "an heretick." Grace and peace.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Dear God, I'm so sorry for you, but praise God your wife is a believer! Becky and I will be praying for your wife and you to get thru this what ever the outcome may be.

BigMack

[Starwind]

Words are so inadequate for a trial like this. My prayers are with you and your wife, for God's healing and comfort.

[Seven_0]

"Actually, I changed my view that Israel is better called a child through adoption and the Church called a child through birth and not the reverse.
My family illustration likened by adopted son to the Church and my natural born daughter to Israel in one family. My admission was that it would be better to see my son representing Israel and daughter the Church"

Good illustration, we see the benefits to the children being the same, but if we change the players we may see differences. Chirst was born of Mary, adopted by Joseph. I think that there are a few things that he did not inherit in from Joseph because he was not related to Joseph by blood.

[jude24]

The reason is that last Friday night I took my wife to the hospital and she has been in intensive care since with several of her organs having failed with a rather bleak prognosis for recovery in the flesh. I am comforted that she is saved by grace through faith and knows the hope she has in Christ. Maybe that makes me "an heretick." Grace and peace.

Awwww man.... you have my prayers. That's far beyond any theological wrangling.

And I apologize for going a bit overboard. I stand by my assessment of what you are saying, but I think my presentation needed a bit of work.

[BibChr]

Nonsense. What one word of that has anything to do with whether Ezekiel was talking hopeless blither or not? I can cut and paste an entire chapter and say "Aha!" too. What single piece of that has anything to do with the interpretation of Ezekiel? Who denies Jesus' finished work? Certainly not I!

Like many who are misled by amill salesmen, you've just left off common sense for the Dance of the Falling Straw Men.

You have yet to get anywhere close to indicating that Ezekiel yammered on in exquisite detail meaning precisely nothing — as opposed to meaning precisely what he said, as the Biblical doctrine of verbal, plenary inspiration would indicate.

Dan

[nobdysfool]

I asked you about the sacrifices in the New temple..are you choosing not to answer?

I believe I already said that I didn't know much about that, as I haven't really studied that portion of scripture in any detail. So, I'm choosing not to answer, because I don't have an answer for you.

Now how about you answering the question I asked of you? Or are you choosing not to answer?

[Matchett-PI]

xzins: "Wai-ming misunderstood YOUR posts at the time."

M-PI: "Oh, reeeeeeeeeally? I'm sure you set her straight behind the scenes in *private* FReepmail, though, didn't you."

xzins: "It's all in the open."

Reeeeeeeeally? LOL:

To: wai-ming

xzins: "check your freepmail"

2545 posted on 12/16/2002 2:46 PM EST by xzins

You'd better hurry and have the moderator pull your posts too like Rev.911 did so that nobody can refer back to them. LOL

Especially damning stuff like this:

Jerry_M:"I, too, was a bit taken aback by xzins statement of "Jerry, I too, wish we could be friends", when I wasn't aware that friendship was at stake."

M-PI: "Of course xzins knew you would be taken aback because he already knew that he was the one who attempted to lead others to believe that IT WAS *YOU* who said that friendship was at stake. He led people to believe that he was merely responding to your words.

I gave him numerous opportunities to set the record straight or provide a quote. He refused every request. And his last bad-faith response was merely to smile. This was his response in #535:

xzins: " :>) "

I'm glad you were able to find a minute in your busy schedule to deny the inferences he made against you.

As for myself in all this, I am reminded of Proverbs 10:18, to wit:

"Whoever HIDES HATRED has lying lips, and whoever SPREADS SLANDER is a fool."

The history of this matter --- a matter of record all in one place is:

HERE

Here's another place where you merely smiled, xzins:

To: Jean Chauvin; xzins; the_doc; Jerry_M; gdebrae; RnMomof7; CCWoody; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Wrigley..

xzins: "Your views are carefully stated in your post. I will consider them."

M-PI: "He's not trying to fool you Jean."

2500 posted on 12/16/2002 1:41 AM EST by Matchett-PI

To: Matchett-PI

xzins: " :>) "

2502 posted on 12/16/2002 1:45 AM EST by xzins
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Like I said --- your reputation preceeds you. LOL