New Leads In Smart Case

The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | October 26, 2002 | Kevi Cantera and Michael Vigh

[cherry]

Thanks Palladin....yes. I am still interested but I have begun to let this case go....it is just too painful to think of this young girl just being taken and never to be heard of again...

If all the facts as we know them are true...that is....the window was cut from the inside, and there was a chair under the window....then the perp PLANNED this....this was not an accidental burglary gone bad...

I can see Ricci doing an abduction in a burlgary....but I can not see him planning on just going there to take LIz....unless there was a ransom plan....

so if it was planned.....someone got in the house easily and knew he could get in....

how would a perp just wandering in the hood gather up a spare chair to put under the window...

so that leads me to think that it was someone who was already on the inside or someone who had a key ......

so let's be realistic....it could be Ricci if he had a key....but it could also have been an extended family member who had a key....it had to be someone who knew they could get in the house....

if we agree that the window was cut from the inside...and that the chair was left there....then this was a planned event...planned in advance....if it was planned in advance..someone wanted it to look like an outside person did this....

[varina davis]

new thread

Thanks lakey. Just hope the FBI is working with Dr. Lee and not just the SLCPD.

[varina davis]

if we agree that the window was cut from the inside...and that the chair was left there....then this was a planned event...planned in advance....if it was planned in advance..someone wanted it to look like an outside person did this....

Planned in advance could be the ticket -- and someone might have staged the scenario.

[varina davis]

I've noticed that Henry Lee gets panned often on this thread, but I think his forensic skills just might turn up a surprise or two.

[jandji]

"Police discovered a wrought-iron chair below the Smart family's kitchen window the morning Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her bedroom, her father says" her father says?
" The chair, taken from the family's backyard patio, was propped against the wall under the kitchen window where investigators found the screen cut, Ed Smart told the Deseret News Friday." again ed smart says. not police, but ed smart speaking. "until now no one has reported a chair being found outside the Smarts' kitchen window." why does ed keep trying to introduce facts?

[jandji]

Henry Lee has already blown this thing wide open. remember the original "screen cut from the inside" theory was published as from "4 different sources inside LE", not actual police press release. now it's "original police theory".

[jandji]

"No, meaning that he "fumbled" through the house with gloves on" ...be hard to see hair on the back of his hands if he was wearing gloves.

[jandji]

"I believe the kidnapping was staged. The kidnappers waited for an opportune day to enter the premises (they probably knew of the award ceremonies on the eve of the 5th). Entered the backyard of the home and placed a chair under the window (distraction #1). Entered the residence with the help of a key. Roamed around the home to get familiar with it" only lois and ed and supposedly liz went to the award assembly. charles was left in charge of the rest of the kids. so no way an unfamiliar person was in the house roaming around.

[jandji]

"If the entry point was through the open garage door, it implies that either" the really scary thing about this scenerio [which includes knowing that the alarm system would also be turned off, and even the garage would be left open after the family came home, remember ed pushing the garage door button and the door not closing, and ed just leaving it open.] is that ed is the only person that knew these details besides the person who entered the house that night.

[JusticeLives]

Thanks for the update on the Smart case, Palladin, and Yes, I'm still interested in following this so keep me on your ping-a-ling list :)

[Palladin]

Good thinking and analysis on this thread, h.e. I,too, believe the kidnapping was well-planned and well-executed. Not a spur-of-the-moment decision by a cat burglar to take one of the Smart children.

A number of people could have had keys, however. Think of all the relatives coming and going during the grandfather's long illness, and at his funeral. Does it necessarily have to be a workman with a key?

I would like to know if Ed changed all the locks after the Ricci/other workmen thefts at his home. Or did he depend on the alarm system alone (which was unset the night of the kidnapping) to protect his family?

[UCANSEE2]

So, if we assume it was a pre-planned kidnapping, What was the purpose of the kidnapping? Where is she?

[Jolly Green]

Now you agree Ricci wasn't the guy in the house!!

Sherlock has always maintained a Ricci associate was the inside man. You ought to try to pay attention once in awhile rather than focusing on slamming other posters. Who knows, you might learn something.

[Jolly Green]

be hard to see hair on the back of his hands if he was wearing gloves.

Depends on the gloves.

[jandji]

"the kidnapping was well-planned and well-executed."

the scary thing about this scenerio is the only person who knew the garage door would be left open, and the alarm motion sensors would be shut off, would've been Ed. not only that, remember that Ed left the garage open even after coming home. Lois had to make him go downstairs and check all the doors. Ed said he then locked all the sliding glass doors and the basement door.