- "Your posts simply prove my point. Your post is a textbook example of why the RF needs to be shut down..."
I would try to warn with a 'slow down Slim, you're coming to a curve'...but it's too late, ya' done went around already.
Posted on 03/03/2015 12:32:27 PM PST by two134711
Don't you mean the SUBSET of the Religion Forum called "Open" threads? Isn't that really the format that is being complained about here?
I've received many Freepmails from people grateful for what they have learned on OPEN RF threads and many say so right in the thread, so I have to completely disagree with you that they are devoid of evangelization or truth. Whatever vile and toxic behavior does show up, I think it is usually caused by someone instigating it in the first place.
Case in point, RnMomof7 has been posting some threads recently that talk about the Reformation and the doctrinal disagreements between Catholics and non-Catholics that caused it to happen. Within the first few posts, before anyone has even had a chance TO comment, some aggrieved FRoman Catholic pops up to disparage NOT the content of the OP but the person who dared post it! Do you see how that kind of behavior immediately instigates dissension and changes the atmosphere of the thread to a confrontational one? Thread "hijacking" is a method some use to stifle discussion when they know they cannot defend against what is said.
Does this happen on Roman Catholic OPEN RF threads sometimes, too? Yes, it does, no one denies it, but isn't it up to US to direct the tone and progress of a thread and not the Moderator who can only address rule breaking reported to him/her? If the current OPEN RF is a scandal, it is the posters who have made it into such. Whatever vile and toxic behavior there is going on, it comes from those who LIKE instigating conflict. Sometimes, it is better to ignore them than to engage in the fight. Perhaps they will tire from getting no attention and will learn to behave better. The RM isn't a babysitter and we shouldn't NEED one.
I would try to warn with a 'slow down Slim, you're coming to a curve'...but it's too late, ya' done went around already.
Just when I'd thought I had heard everything - being thin-skinned is a virtue. Sainthood for the thin-skinned! Who will be the Patron Saint of the Abuse Button? I'm going to walk away now, before I make a martyr out of soneone.
Well there are some things that are immutable, as stated in our Creed that have to do with God. Then there are issues that change with the times as science progresses, and social issues, communication, transportation changes. and people of different races, colors and creeds are able to come to know one another and share ideas.
We've had councils to address questions and important matters. Vatican II sought to reach out in the spirit of ecumenism, and to deal with new issues. That being said, I think that the Council acknowledged that there are people of good will who live lives according to good consciences. It also allowed for interdenominational marriage, which had previously been prohibited. Today, a mainstream Protestant seeking to come into the Church does not need a formal Baptism; their Baptism is recognized as valid by the Church. Changes are brought about in the Church, simply because the world around it is not static, and in the latter part of the 20 th century changed drastically. The feminist movement, for instance, brought in a new set of issues for the Church to deal with: new things like The Pill, societal changes about family life, modesty in dress, then abortion as legal.
Vatican II also brought about a change in the Church hierarchy, giving the bishops more authority, to serve the parts of the world they live in, and tend to different needs in their countries and continents.
Sorry to go on, but those are just some of the things that have changed over the years. While some beliefs cannot be negotiated, we do, and have, changed with the times throughout the centuries, but especially with Vatican II. Thanks for asking, and God bless you both!
Whoever it is, they're probably in there somewhere amid the Stations of the White Hanky (hat-tip to Quix)
I don’t think you’re supposed to use FReeper names of those who are no longer on the site because they can’t answer you, UNLESS, that’s not a rule in the SBR.
+1
Solid post.
I have to tell you, i came to FR with a totally different picture of things. Pardon me for repeating myself, but I grew up in a city with so many different nationalities and denominations, and we all coexisted. My Dad was a mechanic, and we lived in an apartment adjacent to his garage. In front was a parts store, and my Mom would be there, when she was up to it. I hung out with either one. Growing up in a business district, we were all like a family-different world. If all a person who came in needed was a tire change, my Dad would send them into the house for coffee! It took my Mom and me half an hour to go two blocks because, in the summer, people who had businesses would be in their doorways cooling off, and we'd pass the time of day. If there was one part of my life I'd choose to go back to, that'd be it!
I never knew that Catholics and non-Catholic people could be so at odds. We each respected one another. Coming here with all the arguing was like culture shock! Lol I don't want to offend anyone by using the wrong name. In my day, PC would have meant "Polite and Considerate" : )
**Papist? Ever heard of the apologist titled American Papist?
Honestly, no. Until here I had only heard it within my own Church as those who follow Rome versus people who are Catholic in name only. I can see where the name would come from, but I never heard it from a non-Catholic.
**I haven't used the term child of the cult of Satan, not do I recall seeing it, but I can assure you I have been called worse by your churchmen.**
"Cult" I admit, pushes my buttons. If others have called you worse, I apologize, as that isn't what anyone who calls themselves Christian ought to do. We all, whichever dimension of the discussions were on, are human, and I admit to sarcasm at times, but, again, it's like someone picking on your Mother- faith is something, as I've said before, that for some of us is the only reason we have for sticking around in this crazy world.
Like the people I remember from way back when, we Christians, and Jews need each other. I watched Frontline recently, and they showed the liberation of the camps after the Allies came in. No differentiation. Just hatred of anyone the Axis didn't want to have around. We live on dangerous times, when we need to come together, not apart. That doesn't mean we have to have the same religious beliefs. We just have to recognize good from evil. We aren't each other's enemies- the devil is- and divide and conquer is his favorite tactic. Once again, if I went on a bit too much, I'm sorry. I really enjoyed today's discussion, and I enjoyed sharing with you. Thanks for the ping, and God bless you!
Whoever it is, they're probably in there somewhere amid the Stations of the White Hanky (hat-tip to Quix)
I think you've discovered our patron saint :)
Amen!
Good to get it off ones chest sometimes. ;o)
**It would be helpful to establish a protocol for these situations where repeated, unprovoked attacks can be resolved, in christian charity.**
Amen.
I have posted on and off this site for over ten years. Every time I come back here I think to myself, “Wow, FR is one of the only sites telling it like it is when it comes to politics!” But then the OCD religious posters take control over and over again.So one has to ask themselves [as a poster], am I being obsessive by repeating myself over and over again? Or am I actually helping someone out other than myself through my inclinations?
Dictation is not dialogue. Roman Catholics wish to prevent any disagreement from their perversions of Scripture and dependence on Rome. They wish to quell controversy in the name of comity.
It is not going to happen. I repeat. It is not going to happen. Scripture requires that Truth overcome the lies and wishes of those trying to get by.
When confronted with such egregious distractions as Mariology and the subsequent denials that Catholics "worship" their moon goddess (which bears only the name of Christ's mom). When told that only subjection to those in flowing robes, and eating bread and drinking wine, while being told it is not only, literally, the body and blood of Christ, they require it as a condition of Salvation.
Guess What. Salvation is a FREE GIFT which only requires one to have faith in His paying the price for our sinfulness. There is no Scripture that requires us to do anything, if we follow what Paul has told us.
Are we sinners? Of course, but thanks be to God, we are spiritually washed in His blood, not by drinking wine! He no longer sees our sins, nor counts them against us.
I realize that is disagreeable to a Roman Catholic. But, Scripture is where we base our faith and learn, through the Holy Spirit's guidance, how to navigate our way to Heaven.
Purgatory is a hope of sinful, unredeemed people, who hope somebody will light enough candles to qualify them ready to join the choir. Sorry, again, only those who are "born again" will be singing those tunes in the presence of Almighty God!
What we had here today was one of the best discussions! That's what we did- together. We were able to talk things out. It felt, well, productive.
The same people seem to cause trouble, with the same MO's. The Know-Nothings and the KKK are part of the history of anti-Catholicism in America, just as the Spanish Inquisition (They don't call it that for nothing) and the "Bad Popes" are a blot on our Catholic and European history. (The Borgias were a big family and there was at least one good one in the bunch!) It's a done deal, yet it gets rehashed all the time.
Both sides get this flak, then let's have both sides agree to quit. Kayaker's post was off-topic and inappropriate in what was otherwise a frank, adult, peaceful discussion. Why it was directed at NYer, with the comment about "showing up" and had no valid input to the topic at hand, well, that's Kayaker for ya, God bless his/her little heart!
I guess my question is, why is behavior in adults tolerated that would not be in children? Why does "Well, they did it!" justify the sniping and name-calling? Check out the difference in posts. Today both sides acted like Christians and talked like a family. Families don't always agree, but they're considerate of one another. If one acts out, especially unprovoked, they should be called on it. If this were TV, which would you rather be on, "Hannity" with a spirited discussion, or my favorite bad example, Springer? Maybe it's time to put the chairs down, and really talk. If people aren't willing, well maybe some should be put in a corner once in awhile... or at least apologize.
God bless us, FReepers, every one!
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