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Mandatory Military service and the effects it would have on society
Nolan Chart ^ | December 15, 2008 | P. Hedt

Posted on 01/07/2011 4:58:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

It would raise patriotism and educational standards. It would make citizens take a higher interest in world affairs and politics. It would make society in general stronger, both physically and mentally, and it would make our government officials less trigger-happy. Foreign countries would be less likely to attack America and it would become impossible to take our great country over. Our society would be completely reformed back into a strong nation again.

Upon leaving high school men and women are required, by law, to join the military for at least two years. There is no choice in the matter; if they don't go they get the same rights as a felon. Yes, when a person goes into the military they lose certain rights for a little while, but is that necessarily bad? No. If they have never had their basic rights taken from them they will never place as high a value on those rights, or on the sacrifice their ancestors made to give them those rights. It is a growing problem in America for people to take their rights for granted. Take peoples rights away temporarily and people start to value what they have more; and they start to value their country more. Patriotism will be on the rise.

The men and women that leave high school will have to get an assessment test on their knowledge and intelligence levels. Naturally, they studied hard in school so that they could place high and choose what job they would have; so they could choose where they would be on the battlefield. Of Course, they (and their parents) would take school more seriously they do now, their futures would depend on it. These days a high school diploma is just a pretty decoration you get after twelve years of being babysat. People would become more serious about how their children were taught. How much money and supplies would schools receive in order to teach their children? A lot more then they do now. How much respect would teachers finally receive? A lot more then they do now. Hoe many children would get lost in the shuffle educationally? A lot less then they do now.

After selecting or being placed into a field, the people would go to basic training. This would install discipline, physical fitness, pride, and self-esteem. It would teach them that they could achieve anything they set their minds to. How many people in America could use those traits? Our society would shed the flabby Athenian traits and become a well oiled Spartan machine. How many Americans could have benefited from those four traits when they were first starting out in life? How far would America be today if we were all physically and mentally fit when we first started out?

After going through basic training, they would be required to serve at least two years in the armed forces. In that amount of time, they get to travel the world, learning about other cultures and world events. They gain a wealth of knowledge from their travels. They learn that the rest o the world does not have it as good as we do, and to not take our great nation for granted. They carry this knowledge about world events and cultures with them to teach their children, making the world less America centric to Americans.

Because people would be required to become physically fit, (in order to survive in the military) obesity levels in America would drop causing medical problems associated with it to drop. In addition Americans would be near impossible to surprise because they would all be knowledgeable of combat techniques. No one would dare attempt an invasion, because every man women and child would know how to defend themselves.

The presidents children are in the military; congresses children are in the military. How fast would they be to go to war with the knowledge that their children would be deployed? Not as fast as they were willing to in the past. The government would defiantly become more willing to look at other options before leaping headfirst into a major conflict. There would be more protests from congress if the president went crazy and decided to charge into a foreign country.

The effects of making military service mandatory are numerously good. A chain reaction would take place and American society would reform itself. We would become less ignorant of the world around us. Fewer people would burn flags and take America for granted. American government would be less likely to jump into a war. The children would not be lost educationally and schools would receive better funding. Obesity levels would drop dramatically, reducing health problems associated with unhealthy lifestyle. America would become stronger, mentally and physically due to a chain of events created by making military service mandatory.


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I don't think Mr., Miss or Mrs. Hedt ever served in uniform.
1 posted on 01/07/2011 4:58:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hope someone checks in on this individual on a daily basis. All sharp and dangerous objects should be removed from the home.


2 posted on 01/07/2011 5:02:55 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("The Dems have a 'war room' for everything but war..." - Dennis Miller)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It works for Israel, but it wouldn’t work here.


3 posted on 01/07/2011 5:03:28 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Both Mr Reaganaut and I wanted to serve but couldn’t for health reasons (his knee and my hearing loss).

I don’t think it would work here.


4 posted on 01/07/2011 5:08:58 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Both Mr Reaganaut and I wanted to serve but couldn’t for health reasons (his knee and my hearing loss).

I don’t think it would work here.


5 posted on 01/07/2011 5:10:20 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because people would be required to become physically fit, (in order to survive in the military) obesity levels in America would drop . . . The presidents children are in the military; congresses children are in the military. How fast would they be to go to war with the knowledge that their children would be deployed . . . The effects of making military service mandatory are numerously good. A chain reaction would take place and American society would reform itself.

This person is too stupid to have any business discussing our military - is the author a Dem Congressman? The military is too important for freedom to pollute it with the losers this would saddle us with. Keep our military all volunteer, so that they can select from those who want to join and take only the best available. What we have isn't perfect, but it's a whole lot better than universal conscription. If this nutcase really wants everyone to "participate" in our country, put them somewhere that the ordinary person is an improvement, for example random selection to Congress, which would be a whole lot better than elections seem to be in many cases.

6 posted on 01/07/2011 5:11:26 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Colonial Army that was the foundation of our present US Military was volunteer - and should remain so...

It always amazes me the wide spread personalities that come together - even for a short while - that serve in the US Armed Forces - unique but single...I learned more about our nation and the background of others by being in the military - and would have hated having soldiers that complained that they :had to be there.” - Unless they want it - by free choice - all one would get under what is proposed is a train wreck...that system is not required in the US...


7 posted on 01/07/2011 5:12:14 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: reaganaut

A volunteer force is what makes us great. As active Army, i want the buddy next to me to want to be there. Our military is already in a downward spiral. This would make it much worse.


8 posted on 01/07/2011 5:12:32 PM PST by And2TheRepublic
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To: FlingWingFlyer

sounds totalitarian.

Government owns you!!

wow.


9 posted on 01/07/2011 5:12:34 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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Didn’t Slick Willie and Hillary play around with something like this? They wanted the government to test and evaluate all school children and then start them into their government selected career field from their first day at school.


10 posted on 01/07/2011 5:18:42 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("The Dems have a 'war room' for everything but war..." - Dennis Miller)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I want the choice to serve or not. I will always defend my country one way or another. I am not into being in the army as being a tool of the globalists or the new world order folks, or those that want us to fight in order to provide work for arms companies. Which is why at the current time I would not volunteer. Plus at this point in time I am not sure this president’s orders are lawful. Further they have now forced open homosexuality on troops, so until this would be reversed there’s no way in hell I’d put on a uniform under command of people that are so screwed up, I could not trust them.

I’d fight locally as a deputy, or defending my state, where I am.


11 posted on 01/07/2011 5:29:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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I am a believer in Male only universal, DADT at least, draft for 6 months or at most a year of intense basic infantry training only at 17 or 18 years of age, HS grad or no. No postings. It should perhaps not even be directly under DoD. No enlistment permitted for 6 months past graduation then no further requirement for service.

Being universal it would not be a disruption and no one would be "getting ahead" of his peers by going to school instead.

It would give us a population of young men who are all familiar with the military. Most of the resistance to the Draft was fear of the military as an unknown thing. With all familiar with it no combat or staffing draft would ever be necessary. A war situation would bring a flood of volunteers to serve just because the military is familiar to all young men, it is not a scary unknown and the training has given them character and confidence and instilled a sense of protecting family and country. The thing that undid the old Draft was its capriciousness and the opportunities for rich kids and politically connected kids to avoid it and stay cushily in universities. Make it a part of becoming an adult for boys.

12 posted on 01/07/2011 5:30:58 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a great idea, until you really think about it. How many pathetic lefties do you want standing next to you in formation? I’ve been there and I can say NONE!
This would collectively bring down all standards the military has, and that may be the reason why Charlie the turd Wrangle and this author want to do it.


13 posted on 01/07/2011 5:45:28 PM PST by vpintheak (Democrats: Robbing humans of their dignity 1 law at a time)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

In the late 90’s. I believe it was called “School to work.” The state tried to implement it in my very liberal state, and the people were conservative enough to say Hell No — We aren’t paying school taxes through the nose so some bureaucrat can limit our children’s futures by assigning them some sort of menial job training.

Why is it that public school students are victims of every crackpot theory from crazy curricula to all sorts of wacked out social programs? Are public schools some kind of petri dish?


14 posted on 01/07/2011 5:46:20 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: BCW

.I learned more about our nation and the background of others by being in the military - and would have hated having soldiers that complained that they “had to be there.”...................................... Yeah I know what you mean, there were 10 million of those type of guys 1941-1945 who fought on 2 fronts, actually 3 when you think about it, not many remember the CBI. They griped an awful lot, won the battles on 3 fronts, returned, made America into a Great Nation and their grand children never realized that they really didn’t want to be there in the first place. Amazing how most of them treasure the experience in spite of it all. Yeah, I wouldn’t want anyone like that to be in my foxhole, you just can’t depend on anyone who was forced to join. Many in my family served in the armed forces, most in WW II, none of them volunteered, a couple came home missing legs, but they never knocked their time in the service. However lasting friendships did result from their time served.


15 posted on 01/07/2011 5:47:31 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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There were more than 3 fronts. There was ETO, South Pacific, CBI, Middle East/Mediterranean, Africa, American Theater, Aleutians, Russia, Latin America, etc.
16 posted on 01/07/2011 6:08:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Please donate to FreeRepublic, sanity in a world gone mad!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I was wondering how many states are already tracking kids like that?


17 posted on 01/07/2011 6:28:28 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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Good luck with the Section 8 crowd on all that stuff.

We already spend $15,000 per year for each of them to go public school, and 90% of them can't read a cereal box.

18 posted on 01/07/2011 7:10:52 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mandatory military service is a form of involuntary servitude.


19 posted on 01/07/2011 7:28:30 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Truthfully, the wave of the future is to limit the use of the US military to real and important missions. Better for them, far cheaper and more sensible for all of us.

The way to do this is to create a foreign legion, somewhat like the French Foreign Legion, but privately owned and operated offshore of the US. Think by a US loyal company like Blackwater, owned and operated by US veterans.

Importantly, this organization would perform some of the most mundane, expensive, and erosive missions the US military is saddled with, yet nationally give us *more* military flexibility around the world.

1) Peacekeeping, humanitarian and disaster relief missions. For the US military to do these “stand around with a rifle and feed people” missions costs billions, uses expensive supplies, and diverts combat oriented commands away from where they should be. And they can drag on for months or years.

2) Conventional African missions. Americans just plain do not want to send our sons and daughters to Africa. We correctly see the place as a pest hole filled with nasty diseases and no, zero compelling national interest.

Importantly, the French learned long ago that such forces must be kept offshore, because in country there are just too many temptations for mischief, from just about everyone. So likely we would put them on a Caribbean island, and when they had signed on to a mission, voluntarily, the US military would provide them with transport and logistics.

Being offshore as well, they could recruit the best and the brightest from around the world, as long as their senior NCOs and officers were US citizens.

Being a private organization, the US could also offer their services to American allies, and unlike with our own people, would have no problem with them being under foreign control.

The use of such private armies was very successful in Europe for over a thousand years, and kept the price of military services far lower than with standing armies. Only when Napoleon created an enormous “grand armee” of a million men was it realized that such a mass could only be opposed by other mass armies. But if such massive numbers are not in question, private armies are much more economical.


20 posted on 01/07/2011 7:58:33 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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