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To: Ditto
If you have an answer to what state right was being violated in 1860, say so.

I did. Self-determination, the right to own your own future. The fire-eaters saw the Superstate coming and didn't want to play. Can you blame them? Income taxes and Prohibition and foreign empires, the Great White Fleet, and all that good stuff? Oh, and 100 years of poverty for the South. That shouldn't have counted, though, right? Right? Moral arguments trump hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of plantation investments? A little unrealistic to ask Tidewater planters to take a swan dive off Niagara Falls, isn't it?

Slavery was never a practical issue for public consideration. It was always a wedge issue, a tool of the Black Republican faction. It was hate-politics, get-ready-to-fight politics, demonizing the Southerners in preparation for a great national split and civil war over issues that were NOT under discussion to the degree slavery was. But those were the real issues: tariffs and what we would call now "industrial policy" -- the old American System of Henry Clay, revisited by the Republicans at the instance of their patrons in business and industry.

Don't stoop to ad homin[em].

It isn't an ad hominem attack to assert that a political cabal is at work in the United States pushing an alien meme that has murdered >100 million people worldwide over the last 100 years, and that they have seized history and historiography, and that these themes are an integral part of their national electoral politics that has just installed a Marxist in the White House.

The Presence in the White House is proof that the cabal exists -- the man would otherwise be pushing a broom in New York, not sitting in the Oval Office plotting against the Internet.

And it is not ad hom to point out that South-baiting is his party's stock in trade, to alienate Battleground States' voters from the conservatives in the South, by waving bloody shirts and B-movie scarecrow stereotypes in voters' faces, anything to peel them off the conservative cause.

The South is the great unswallowable lump that has retarded the triumph of socialism and NWO-ism since the 1930's, and an enemy of the South is a friend of Marx and the NWO.

Pretty simple argument, and not ad hom argle-bargle.

789 posted on 12/31/2010 8:53:56 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

So speaketh the legitimate Voice of the South.

/sarc


793 posted on 12/31/2010 8:57:07 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; Ditto

My my my, but you must be parched from all that writing ;-)

I won’t bother with that non-responsive answer you gave to Ditto’s reasonable question because I’m frankly fascinated with the second part of your complaint.

You say: “It isn’t an ad hominem attack to assert that a political cabal is at work in the United States pushing an alien meme that has murdered >100 million people worldwide over the last 100 years, and that they have seized history and historiography, and that these themes are an integral part of their national electoral politics that has just installed a Marxist in the White House.”

I would agree (if that were the case, which it is not).

You continue:

“The Presence in the White House is proof that the cabal exists — the man would otherwise be pushing a broom in New York, not sitting in the Oval Office plotting against the Internet.”

That I can agree with 100%

But then you tip over into lala land with this:

“And it is not ad hom to point out that South-baiting is his party’s stock in trade, to alienate Battleground States’ voters from the conservatives in the South, by waving bloody shirts and B-movie scarecrow stereotypes in voters’ faces, anything to peel them off the conservative cause.”

I guess that’s your way of intimating that someone here is doing the work of....? Øbongo? Karl Marx? Groucho Marx?

Again, if you think one of us is an agent of Øbongo’s or the dhimmicrat party, alert the mods and make your case. I suspect you’ve dipped into the sherry a little early and have let the festivities get the better of you.

Perhaps you should try again tomorrow?


795 posted on 12/31/2010 9:06:07 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: lentulusgracchus
The fire-eaters saw the Superstate coming and didn't want to play.

And that is historical nonsense. You are projecting backwards. The same time that Calhoun was pushing nullification and secession doctrine he was also pushing internal improvements -- i.e. Federal spending for roads and harbor improvements. Superstate was not in their imaginations. It was in no ones imagination until 40+ years after the Civil War with Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson and the damned 'Progressives'.

In the 1860 election, the platforms for all three parties (Northern Democrats, Southern Democrats and Republicans) all called for Federal support for a trans continental railroad. There was no disagreement on it.

Aside from the war, look at what Lincoln and those early Republicans did on domestic policy. The Homestead Act gave Federal property away to citizens who were willing to live on and work the land. It opened the west to settlement. The Land Grand College Act gave away Federal land to the states which they could sell to the highest bidder and use the proceeds to open state colleges. The Federal government was shedding power, not trying to concentrate it.

Those people weren't thinking about some mega government. They really did the opposite.

The fire-eaters only had one concer, The expansion of slavery. That was their only issue.

796 posted on 12/31/2010 9:23:15 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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