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To: lentulusgracchus
You want him to answer in the terms set by your Marxist poster-meme.

Straight out of the Democrat play book. When I oppose Obama Care, I'm a racist. When I oppose gay marriage, I'm a 'Homophobe' -- what ever the f' that is. If I oppose SALT, I'm a war monger.

And now you come in with the same crap. I ask a man what state right was being violated by the Federal government in 1860 that justified secession, and you start calling me a freaking Commie.

Stuff it lentulusgracchus.

Unlike some of your fellow lost causers who don't know s**t about history and are all about their imagined heritage and G-g-g- grandpappys legacy, you can do some decent posts when you care to. I pegged you as far better than a slobbering psycho like stand watie.

Don't stoop to ad hominin.

I looked at your home page, and I took the same test and scored in the exact same quadrant as you. My earliest involvement in politics was attendance at an AuH2O rally in 1964.

Don't play stupid games. This is about history, and about getting it right. It's not about you, me, our ancestors or the current condition of any state North or South. It is about what happened 150 years ago. I happen to think it is important that we get it correct.

If you have an answer to what state right was being violated in 1860, say so. If not, admit so. But don't be calling me a Marxist anymore.

760 posted on 12/31/2010 8:27:30 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto
Straight out of the Democrat play book. When I oppose Obama Care, I'm a racist. When I oppose gay marriage, I'm a 'Homophobe' -- what ever the f' that is. If I oppose SALT, I'm a war monger.

And when I demur from Northern triumphalism and mythology, I've got a burning, unquenchable desire to own human flesh and ravish brown girls in my stables, my tottering ego to inflate. Blah.

Physician, gaze in thy mirror, heal thyself.

765 posted on 12/31/2010 8:32:23 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Ditto
...you start calling me a freaking Commie.

Check your inbasket sometime and read the freaking memo. It's a Marxist meme, Daddy-o! Liberation imposed from above, vanguard-led blah blah blah -- hey, Red historians Foner and McPherson are putting this stuff in the public magisterium of the National Park Service, and you don't smell a 'Rat? I told you who did it!! Bill freakin' Clinton!

Read your mail sometime, dude!

769 posted on 12/31/2010 8:35:15 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Ditto
If you have an answer to what state right was being violated in 1860, say so.

I did. Self-determination, the right to own your own future. The fire-eaters saw the Superstate coming and didn't want to play. Can you blame them? Income taxes and Prohibition and foreign empires, the Great White Fleet, and all that good stuff? Oh, and 100 years of poverty for the South. That shouldn't have counted, though, right? Right? Moral arguments trump hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of plantation investments? A little unrealistic to ask Tidewater planters to take a swan dive off Niagara Falls, isn't it?

Slavery was never a practical issue for public consideration. It was always a wedge issue, a tool of the Black Republican faction. It was hate-politics, get-ready-to-fight politics, demonizing the Southerners in preparation for a great national split and civil war over issues that were NOT under discussion to the degree slavery was. But those were the real issues: tariffs and what we would call now "industrial policy" -- the old American System of Henry Clay, revisited by the Republicans at the instance of their patrons in business and industry.

Don't stoop to ad homin[em].

It isn't an ad hominem attack to assert that a political cabal is at work in the United States pushing an alien meme that has murdered >100 million people worldwide over the last 100 years, and that they have seized history and historiography, and that these themes are an integral part of their national electoral politics that has just installed a Marxist in the White House.

The Presence in the White House is proof that the cabal exists -- the man would otherwise be pushing a broom in New York, not sitting in the Oval Office plotting against the Internet.

And it is not ad hom to point out that South-baiting is his party's stock in trade, to alienate Battleground States' voters from the conservatives in the South, by waving bloody shirts and B-movie scarecrow stereotypes in voters' faces, anything to peel them off the conservative cause.

The South is the great unswallowable lump that has retarded the triumph of socialism and NWO-ism since the 1930's, and an enemy of the South is a friend of Marx and the NWO.

Pretty simple argument, and not ad hom argle-bargle.

789 posted on 12/31/2010 8:53:56 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Ditto

Just for the record, I KNOW your conservatism. You are not Marxist. We may disagree, about WBTS, but I respect you.


814 posted on 01/01/2011 7:41:34 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this herroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: Ditto
I happen to think it is important that we get it correct.

Won't be possible since the wrong side won.

815 posted on 01/01/2011 7:56:23 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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