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Methane and Martial Law in the Gulf of Mexico
The Auburn Journal ^ | June 24, 2010

Posted on 06/24/2010 10:00:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good link here summarizing an industry theory about the oil spill: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzI5Y2EwZTA3NjQ4ZTYwNjhmNjhiNjQ1ZmQ1MzIzZTQ=

It summarizes a technical document on TheOilDrum.com website here:http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593/648967

The first link is a handy summary which describes a very pessimistic view of the oil spill (no end in site - could get much much worse for a long time).


21 posted on 06/24/2010 10:39:29 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Irenic

This is just too big a deal for the governments tentacles not to go to work. I don’t think this ends well, hysteria aside.


22 posted on 06/24/2010 10:40:34 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Plans are being put in place for the mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Hammond, Houma, Belle Chase, Chalmette, Slidell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pensacola, Hattiesburg, Mobile, Bay Minette, Fort Walton Beach, Panama City, Crestview, and Pascagoula,” Madsen writes.

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But Obama would never do anything to devastate the economies of states that would probably vote for him in 2012.

Wait, what?


23 posted on 06/24/2010 10:41:03 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Born to Conserve

Or about 70,000 gallons of water per drop of oil.


Thanks for the perspective. But it is still doing tremendous damage.


24 posted on 06/24/2010 10:41:51 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Born to Conserve

But if the oil is washing up on shore in tar balls and blackening beaches then it is not distributed evenly throughout the volume and is therefore not diluted.

Three Mile Island and Chernobyl are concerns based on concentration levels - one could calculate the overall effect when released radiation is distributed evenly over a huge geographic area - including vertical distribution throughout the air column - but that isn’t what happens. Especially not for emergency workers at CHernobyl whose boots were melting to the ground from radiation.


25 posted on 06/24/2010 10:47:17 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Paraphrased and dramatic examples are not scientific findings. A million times normal background methane levels wouldn't even register for drinking water safety standards. And the agricultural runoff into the gulf has long been blamed for massive areas of ‘dead zones’ in the water, yet the Armageddon predicted in this article hasn't occurred yet.

Further, the concerns over the dispersant are beyond unfounded, especially when you consider the amount of dispersant to crude oil of 50 to 100 to one - IE: 50 barrels of crude oil spilled for every barrel of dispersant used. I guarantee you that the crude oil is far more toxic than the dispersant, which is mostly made up of petroleum distillate and sulfuric salts, both of which are in much higher forms in the crude itself.

It goes on to say a 200 mile radius would be evacuated, then expands that to include the gulf states, including Florida, and more babble about massive martial law. Just more paranoid junk that feeds the Art Bell show.

26 posted on 06/24/2010 10:47:21 PM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: unkus

Thanks, unkus, I’m getting lots of practice...(8^D)


27 posted on 06/24/2010 10:48:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: samadams2000

This is just too big a deal for the governments tentacles not to go to work. I don’t think this ends well, hysteria aside.
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I agree, I’m more hysterical about gov’t overreach than I am about the oil gusher.

We will be hurt bad by the oil but we can slowly recover from that.

I’m not sure we can recover from liberties lost to the gov’t overreach/control.


28 posted on 06/24/2010 10:48:49 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In order to accomplish this gargantuan feat, the federal government (through FEMA and other agencies) would most likely seek first to control and manage the transportation system and then operate relocation centers to manage evacuees. Toward this end, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has already declared the airspace over the oil spill site to be a no-fly zone until further notice. Various sources have indicated that local police, highway patrol, National Guard, US military and foreign troops may be involved in an operation to evacuate the Gulf Coast. In fact, the Governor of Louisiana has already requested evacuation assistance (i.e. National Guard) for his state from the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Okay. Most of this isn't really out of line with normal preparation for a vigorous hurricane season--and its coming, whether vigorous or not.

No fly zone: Yep. I would, too. There is enough mess out there without having some sightseeing aircraft out there, down, and having to drop everything else and do rescue/recovery, not to mention the air traffic nightmare if there were no strict controls.

...the methane now escaping into the Gulf may have been part of a massive bubble trapped for thousands of years under the sea floor.

This is called a 'reservoir'. There is not much sense in drilling into one full of salt water, you want oil or natural gas (or both), which BP found. That, after all, was the objective.

“More than a year ago, geologists expressed alarm in regard to BP and Transocean putting their exploratory rig directly over this massive underground reservoir of methane. Warnings were raised before the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe that the area of seabed chosen might be unstable and inherently dangerous,”

Well, they weren't oilfield geologists. If everyone pulled an apocalyptic prediction out of a warm dark orifice daily, sooner or later someone would 'win', kinda like the lottery.

The well was under control until the riser was displaced and the plug which leaked had a chance to produce enough oil and gas into the riser to cause a blowout. Had the proper actions been taken to control the well early on in the sequence of events which led immediately to the blowout, there is a strong chance that the blowout would not have happened. Someone screwed up, but the formation, pressures, and geology were not beyond being dealt with without extraordinary means, at least until the rig sank.

Keep in mind, too, that relief wells are not eatraprdinary, even if unusual, that they have been used before to control blowouts, and are the means to control this one and plug the well.

29 posted on 06/24/2010 11:02:47 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: smokingfrog

You’re not going to beleive a retired Kansas Highway Patrolman? LOL


30 posted on 06/24/2010 11:15:32 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Irenic

Would it include HOUSTON ??


31 posted on 06/24/2010 11:17:39 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Born to Conserve
Nicely put, your water vs oil post. Thanks!

WAKE UP AMERICA




32 posted on 06/25/2010 1:26:53 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: zeaal
Read BP's short but to the point response to the EPA about dispersants.

BP's response to EPA's dispersant directive

33 posted on 06/25/2010 1:28:26 AM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: Mike Darancette
For some comic relief...
A short YouTube Video -- "Checkout this 'Live and let die' gas bag..."



34 posted on 06/25/2010 1:34:10 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: zeaal

who owns stock or interest in the company that manufactures Corexit 9500?”

George Soros.

And rumor has it....

June 1st...

http://www.paranoidsonline.com/2010/06/gulf-evacuation-plans.html

June 10th...

http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/06/extreme-alert-gulf-coast-evacuation.html


35 posted on 06/25/2010 1:40:09 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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When you're under martial law, and have been evacuated, can you still vote in an election?

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36 posted on 06/25/2010 2:50:24 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: Kirkwood

I have listened to Greg Evenson on the radio. He has been predicting Martial Law any minute for about a year now that I know of. They are going to come get us all and put us in FEMA camps. BHO could not coordinate a bus trip to Disney World much less try to evacuate 40 million people from the Gulf Coast. Most of which will refuse to go and yes boys and girls they will be armed.


37 posted on 06/25/2010 3:13:09 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yep and resulting in a new civil war.


38 posted on 06/25/2010 3:59:32 AM PDT by Biggirl (Pray for the people and animals affected in the Gulf of Mexico by oilspill. =^..^=)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have expertise but not exclusively in such fields.

But I do predict people WILL NOT allow Federal or National Guard troops to evict them from their homes and lifestyles, homes that have guarantee of being safe upon return.

I do believe the individual states especially Louisiana will go beyond the Federal restrictions and will mobilize a better more coordinated effort to stop the advancing spread, especially more miles from the shoreline.

The answer to most of the problems is to face Washington and tell them to go run off a short pier.Obama problems aside there will NOT be any help from Washington, they won’t do the right thing in any timely fashion.

This is an extreme national crisis and the only person supposed in charge of being a leader is instead working on his handicap.


39 posted on 06/25/2010 4:13:15 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So we’ve gone from “the earth’s bleeding” to “the earth farted”.


40 posted on 06/25/2010 4:16:21 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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