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Traitor? Treason? [Robert E. Lee]
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 5/10/10 | Richard Williams

Posted on 05/10/2010 3:17:06 PM PDT by Davy Buck

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To: Lee'sGhost
....to judge us or even hold my jock.

LOL!, your 'jock'? Come on man, my Chihuahua can drag the whole part of that so - called southern manhood.

And frankly, I really can't blame you'll, my research shows, even after the war was over, the Yankee Army continued it's destruction of assets.

(Now my Chihuahua wants some lap time .....) And seriously, I was considering moving to NC ... Now? no way Jose!

41 posted on 05/10/2010 6:56:03 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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To: Cheburashka

You are right —but as a colonel in the Virginia regiment, serving the British army, he was painted by Charles Wilson Peale in a blue and RED uniform—do you recall that painting? That is the one I am thinking of—thanks for the correction. PS Some historian has written a whole book on Washington’s feelings of rejection by the British military hierarchy as one of the reasons for his agreeing to be a general for the American Army.


42 posted on 05/10/2010 6:59:11 PM PDT by browniexyz
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To: Jack Hydrazine

If you win, you’re a patriot. If you lose, you’re a traitor.


43 posted on 05/10/2010 7:22:09 PM PDT by Davy Buck
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To: hellbender
I have no inherited loyalties as to the Civil War. I descend entirely from those "hordes of immigrants" who came to the North in the early 20th Century.

On the Civil War, my head is with the North. Despite a credible argument as to a right to secede, the South was utterly foolish to do so. The South was outmatched and unlikely to win.

Despite other issues, slavery was the driving cause of the Civil War because it made the South a distinct society with interests that could not be easily harmonized with those of the North. The South would have been better served to use its influence within the federal system to negotiate gradual emancipation.

Still, my heart is with the South. I have read and taken to heart much of the South's history and literature, from Poe and Lanier to the Agrarians, to the New Critics, Richard Weaver, Robert Penn Warren, and Flannery O'Connor.

The South's sense of tragedy and of manners and honor give it a depth that eludes the North. Even on race, today's South often does better than the North, and Southerners make up a disproportionately large slice of the US military.

44 posted on 05/10/2010 7:46:42 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: investigateworld

Facts ARE indeed facts. The FACT that the victors write history to their benefit. The FACT that Sherman burned his way through Georgia to terrorize the civilians. The FACT that the Confederacy is still being punished by Yankee laws.

We are still two nations, under one flag. Perhaps, if the Conferacy had prevailed, the damage LIBs have done to America would have hurt fewer people. And slavery would have been eliminated anyway. Mechanization would have forced it. Lincoln only freed slaves in the Confederacy.


45 posted on 05/11/2010 2:56:48 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey
Can't argue with your post! The Union forces did a lot of unnecessary damages during and AFTER the war.

Maybe p.o'd about Andersonville?

But the comment about the camp commander being hung on the word of a deserter?

That's funny!

46 posted on 05/11/2010 3:53:03 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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To: investigateworld
Please reference the following link to the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law. Specifically, the following paragraph:

" The star prosecution witness was a man named Felix de la Baume. De la Baume testified about his captivity at Andersonville, and that he personally saw Wirz shoot men. After giving his testimony, and before the trial was completed, De la Baume was given a written commendation for his "zealous testimony" signed by all of the commission members. He was also rewarded with a government clerk's job in the Department of the Interior. After the trial had ended De la Baume was identified by veterans of the 7th New York Regiment as a deserter from their regiment. They went to the Secretary of the Interior and had De la Baume fired, at which time he admitted that he had committed perjury in the Wirz trial."

Not denying the horrors at Andersonville, Camp Douglas, Belle Isle, or Point Lookout. The tragedy is these were Americans all, both captive and captor.

47 posted on 05/11/2010 4:30:58 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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To: Jonah Hex
Thanks for the link ... ya know, I always suspected those Union troops committed suicide, ya that's it, the shame of being captured ;^)

But, series - while the South may have had the right to secede and/or even a duty to do so, the horror of Andersonville and other Confederate POW camp stains forever what they were trying to do. Just my 2 cents.

I remember at a e&e course, back in the day, we were told "never get captured, you'll be abused and no one will ever give sh*t".

As I look at the booming Japanese economy, how the war criminals were not hung etc, I know I was being told the truth that day back in 1970

48 posted on 05/11/2010 4:51:34 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Of course he was! Robert E’ Lee led a war against the USA but he wasn’t a traitor? Impossible!

He didn't lead a war against the USA!

He led an army defending the Confederacy from the US invasion.

49 posted on 05/11/2010 5:34:52 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: investigateworld

You really don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Even IF Easley was governor and even IF he could be re-elected, neither which is true, it has nothing to do with the comments you made. Obfuscation is a libtard tactic...you must do better here to be relevant.


50 posted on 05/11/2010 5:49:13 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: investigateworld

Great! You’re not good enough, smart enough, or informed enough to be a North Carolinian.


51 posted on 05/11/2010 6:04:54 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Davy Buck
If Lee was a traitor (and I don't believe he was), he would be the only traitor for which a ship in the United States Navy was ever named.

You forgot Stonewall Jackson.

52 posted on 05/11/2010 6:10:00 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: NTHockey
That said, is there really much difference between Lee’s stand and the patriots of today?

Well there was that whole slavery thing...

53 posted on 05/11/2010 6:11:15 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Retired Greyhound
Though they were wrong about slavery, the Southern states were within their rights to resist the overreaching of the Federal Govt.

How was the federal government overreaching? Just curious.

54 posted on 05/11/2010 6:12:15 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: NTHockey
The FACT that Sherman burned his way through Georgia to terrorize the civilians.

And considering the last 5 Southern presidents we've had I'd say that Dixie has gotten its revenge and then some.

55 posted on 05/11/2010 6:17:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


56 posted on 05/11/2010 8:09:48 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Lee'sGhost
The reason I checked was all tarheels in my AO are meth freaks-inbreds-welfare - disability collecting type individuals.

Now they are basically of the same Scot-Irish ancestry as me so I figured NC has a program to ‘relocate them from the state - so to speak - So with a few friends we called the governors office to confirm that such a relocation program was in effect.
The little gal who answered the phone finally stopped laughing after I described the local tarheels, and replied “Yes, such folks would want to leave this state - we don't put up with that kind here”

But then the duke LaCrosse thing came up and I lost interest :^(

57 posted on 05/11/2010 9:59:38 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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To: Non-Sequitur

>>And considering the last 5 Southern presidents we’ve had I’d say that Dixie has gotten its revenge and then some.<<

The South disowned them the day they first stomped on the Constitution. And the Yankees are getting even with the Kenyan.


58 posted on 05/11/2010 12:44:52 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey

I think Kenya is south of the Mason-Dixon...lol


59 posted on 05/11/2010 1:35:40 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: wardaddy
LOL...coming from you that is rich...very rich....you absolutely live for south bashing and white race baiting X....please.

let's don't be a hypocrite

Maybe I forgot to congratulate you guys on being elected to represent the South, but you sure as heck weren't picked to run the whole White race.

I would have remembered that and maybe even gotten a ballot to fill out.

I'm always up to learning a little history, but endlessly running through the same arguments over and over again isn't very appealing.

When it leaves historical facts behind for Yankee bashing and personal attacks, that's all the more reason to stay away.

60 posted on 05/11/2010 2:01:59 PM PDT by x
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