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To: Dead Corpse
Abortion. Government interference in the religious institution of marriage. Taxation. Bigger government.

Let's take this one at a time.

On abortion, he has supported Bush's judicial nominees, particularly those to the Supreme Court. I don't understand what your problem is in light of this - in the best case scenario, Roe vs. Wade will be overturned as it's quite possibly the most idiotic Supreme Court decision ever - the Constitution is silent on the issue, thus it's a states rights matter. Giuliani being pro-abortion, so long as he picks strict constructionists who agree with this approach, is irrelevant.

As for gay marriage, again, the Constitution is silent on the issue - thus the states are presently deciding it. I have heard nothing from Giuliani saying he would try and interfere with this. Bush fell down trying to get a Constitutional amendment on this issue. I don't see you ripping his guts out for that.

Taxes and bigger government - there I have no idea what you're talking about. He cut taxes and government in New York City - the only people who believe otherwise are those who are trying to sharpen their knives for him anyway.

If you seriously believe that Giuliani and Hillary are equivalent, I have to say, you're absolutely bonkers. Anyone who remembers 1998 and Impeachment knows she's pure concentrated evil. Giuliani may be misguided on some issues, but he's not that.

Ivan

239 posted on 02/01/2007 7:11:00 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
Giuliani may be misguided on some issues"

Now that is pretty limp... misguided... hehe

Rudy is has been misguided with his Pro-Abortion stance, he has just been misguided when he sued gun manufacturer's....

How sweet...Misguided...

260 posted on 02/01/2007 7:19:39 AM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: MadIvan; All
I want STRAIGHT answers from a Rudy-ophile to these questions:

1.) Rudy said Roe vs. Wade is "good law." True or False?

2.) When asked to name a good SCOTUS justice in an interview, Rudy once named Ruth Bader Ginsberg. True or False.

3.) Rudy's actual RECORD on appointing judges is what?
a.) Very, Very Liberal judges.
b.) Social Libertarian Moderates.
c.) Constitutionalists in the mold of Roberts and Scalia.

4.) Rudy Giuliani:
a.) Supported the nomination of Clarence Thomas.
b.) Opposed the nomination of Clarence Thomas.

Straight answers, especially to #3, please.
269 posted on 02/01/2007 7:22:44 AM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: MadIvan
On abortion, he has supported Bush's judicial nominees, particularly those to the Supreme Court. I don't understand what your problem is in light of this - in the best case scenario, Roe vs. Wade will be overturned as it's quite possibly the most idiotic Supreme Court decision ever - the Constitution is silent on the issue, thus it's a states rights matter. Giuliani being pro-abortion, so long as he picks strict constructionists who agree with this approach, is irrelevant.

As for gay marriage, again, the Constitution is silent on the issue - thus the states are presently deciding it. I have heard nothing from Giuliani saying he would try and interfere with this. Bush fell down trying to get a Constitutional amendment on this issue. I don't see you ripping his guts out for that.

First, there is absolutely no guarantee that Rudy would pick a "strict constructionist" for justice. Many here have said that he "promised" to do that, but the only evidence of that they've provided is one quote where he said that Roberts and Alito were colleagues of his, that he liked them, and that Bush picked them because they were strict constructionists. But, put that aside, and tell me why he would support Roe v. Wade and oppose the Federal Marriage Amendment if he was for a strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution. THE strict constructionist, Judge Robert Bork, was one of the authors of the Marriage Amendment. Its design was to return keep the judiciary from forcing the states to allow or recognize gay marriage - much like Roe v. Wade forced states to allow abortion. Overturning Roe v. Wade would also return the decision of abortion laws to the states, but Rudy also opposes that.

The argument that Rudy is against gay marriage and abortion bans based upon it being an issue of states rights is a fallacy and easily disproven by his own statements and positions. As it pertains to banning abortion, Giuliani also opposed a ban on the barbaric Partial Birth Abortion (do you need the procedure explained to you) that was being voted on in New York state. I'm looking now to see where he stood on or any statements he made about the gay marriage ban in New York State that was later shot down by a Manhattan judge. That would certainly case further light on the issue. His opposition to overturning Roe v. Wade speaks for itself.

403 posted on 02/01/2007 8:16:30 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: MadIvan
On abortion, he has supported Bush's judicial nominees, particularly those to the Supreme Court.

Rudy is a politician. Roberts and Alito were very popular nominations amongst Republicans. OF COURSE Rudy is going to say he supports them. He'd be politically retarded to do otherwise.

632 posted on 02/01/2007 10:26:22 AM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: MadIvan
Love that Rudy guy!

The fact that both Giuliani and Hillary Clinton have embraced the same position on an issue that so deeply split Congress in 1993 -- and caused political problems for the Democratic White House -- reflects the extent to which both of the Senate hopefuls view gay men and lesbians as a source of votes and contributions.

Both Hillary Clinton and Giuliani already have gone to some lengths to court support from gay voters, and Hillary Clinton's advisers said they were concerned that the mayor might do well among a group of voters that has historically been viewed as a reliable part of the Democratic base.

At the fund-raiser, Hillary Clinton also voiced support for domestic partnership measures that would allow gay partners to receive the same benefits as married couples.

On this, her position is similar to the one taken by Giuliani, who supported a domestic partnership law in 1997. The mayor frequently remarks that he signed the city's first domestic partnership legislation.

Linko for the Pinkos,

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_19991209/ai_n10556803

900 posted on 02/01/2007 12:45:24 PM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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