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To: garv

I never said he wasn't pro-life.

All I am saying is that his pro-life position is:

1) Merely part of a larger libertarian view of the law and an individuals relationship to the government which is a GOOD thing on just about every other issue. The emphasis of the speech was on personal responsibility and limited government.

2) That he is in favor of strict constructionist judges when it is abundantly clear that a strict constructionist majority on the SCOTUS would necessarily overturn Roe v. Wade. (A strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution does not allow Roe v. Wade to stand; the only answer would be that it is a political question for the states.) This makes his personal stand on abortion completely and utterly irrelevant as POTUS.

Notice how he devotes a large part of his speech to topics such as privatization and lowering taxes. That doesn't strike you as weird at a speech to a pro-choice group giving him an award(who is clearly giving him the award solely because he is a Republican)?

The short of the matter (for me at least) is this: a) yes he's pro-choice b) it is unlikely, however, that his pro-choice views will ever affect anything he does as POTUS c) I think the abortion debate is intractable anyway so it doesn't affect my vote d)he wants to crush the Islamofascists and seal our boarder e) he is for taxes cuts and limited government f) he is a proven leader in tough times. To me the negatives pale in comparison to the positives.


1,336 posted on 01/30/2007 9:17:35 PM PST by Stag_Man (NEVER let the people draw their own conclusions. - DUmmie poster.)
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To: Stag_Man
It's been good talking with you about this and keeping things on a higher level than some recent exchanges.

Perhaps we can continue this another time, but let me briefly respond to your last post

Abortion is a major issue to me, a deal breaker, for me Giuliani is going to have to specifically address his position on Roe and judges and not in a vague passing reference. I mean directly answer. He will also have to repudiate his position on gun control, gay rights, and immigration (he supports the Senate plan).

If he did those things I would consider him, but I doubt that will happen.

I have to turn in so please don't take a nonresponse as rude. On a lighter note, as a former New Yorker who lived in the city while Giuliani was Mayor I have to say you may be the first person who ever used the words "Giuliani" and "libertarian" together in a sentence.

1,339 posted on 01/30/2007 9:52:35 PM PST by garv
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