Posted on 12/15/2006 7:22:32 PM PST by FarRockaway
"Frankly, I couldn't care less; not even if a gun was held to my head."
Oh, you're good. You know insults would probably bring me back. It's just hard to not respond to your spew.
This is an obvious lie. If you really, honest-to-God did not care in the least, you wouldn't reply. And you know it.
As for the rest, I'm not going to let you bait me into saying something you can hit the abuse button on. I suspect that is what you're going for.
You said -- "I don't give a damn! You are a bigot! Are we clear?"
CAIR?? Is that you...
Regards,
Star Traveler
[d*mn the facts -- full speed ahead...]
Now come on, tell me just which branch of Christianity you belong to. We're all dying to know.
Obama and Hillary are leading the charge as of now.
The stupid party is standing around with their pants down around their ankles.
Hinduism and Buddhism are cults, according to your KOOK source. I didn't see much more, so tell me, according to him, is Judaism also a "cult"?
The crackpot used to be on the radio here.
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/martin.htm
Awwww! I figured he had to be little because last I knew you didn't have grandchildren yet!
My oldest got married this summer and I am after them already to get a MOVE on! My YOUNGER sis has 3 grandchildren that she LORDS over me all the time!
I'll bet you are loving be a grandma!
You've an oldish sign-up date....why don't you know the rules here?
You asked -- "What kind of "Christian" are you; what sect of Christianity do you belong to?"
The best description (although it's getting a bit overused these days) is "Evangelical". But, the term is getting a bit "worn" and somewhat "loose" these days.
In terms of "denomination" -- you can refer to the Southern Baptist Convention (and you'll find that they refer to Mormonism as a *cult* too). The Southern Baptist Convention is counted as the largest Protestant Denomination in the United States.
The *basic tenets* of the Christian faith -- will be the *exact same ones* that the Southern Baptist Convention adheres to (and which will be outlined, also, in the book "Kingdom of the Cults" by Walter Martin, as he defines, very precisely the historic Christian beliefs and what holds all Christians together). It's all *standard* and *basic* and *historic* Christianity.
It seems that you're very unfamiliar with this -- it would appear.
I hope that answers your question very well...
And then you asked -- "And who are YOU, to tell those who believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior, that they are NOT Christians?"
A person becomes a Christian by very well defined terms and doctrines -- as espoused in the Bible, the Word of God. They are outlined in the doctrines of the faith. For example -- if one was to become a member of a church of the Southern Baptist Convention -- they would go through classes that would ensure that they understood the basic and historic Christian faith and are able to agree with it -- and then they would be a member of that church. That's the way it usually goes.
You obviously have never been through one of those membership classes, learned about the historic Christian faith and have never had to agree to those same doctrines and tenets of the faith -- in order to become a member in one of these kinds of Christian churches.
It must be very unfamiliar to you...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You just can't let go. LOL
I am polite. When posted to, I respond.
Great call with the Duck Hunt reference.
I've never understood all these people that want a wall on the border with Mexico but they say nothing about the vastly longer and vastly less defended border with Canada.
Given Canada's lax immigration policies and their arab/muslim asylum laws, the lack of our gaurding the border with Canada is MUCH greater of a threat than the southern border.
Don't forget Ressam with the LAX plot was coming from Canada, not Mexico. The recent plot to blow up parliament was in Ottawa not Mexico City.
It would appear that perhaps they just have a bigger pronlem with Mexicans and Los Gringos than the white folks up in Canada. But who knows?
I know all about Mormons. Probably more than you will ever know. So what?? No, they aren't Christians. AND???? What's your point?
You're one to talk.
"Good luck with your recuperation from that lobotomy."
How hypocritical. This is what you call polite?
You said -- "Walter Martin? Who falsely claimed to be an ordained minister of the Southern Baptist Convention, even though his ordination was revoked in 1953? Who called himself Doctor even though he bought his degree from a diploma mill?"
His work is absolutely impeccable and it *is recognized* by Christian theologians as *the handbook* for both a concise and thorough explanation of various *cults* and how they depart from Christianity.
That work has been continued and updated by others (since Walter Martin died a number of years ago), to keep it current and it's still considered *the authoritative work* on the cults.
There is absolutely not a single Christian theologian that has any fault to pick with his work -- at all.
You're barking up the wrong tree there.
And besides that -- you could eliminate that one work and find *500 other sources* for the *cult nature* of the Mormon church and how they are absolutely not Christian and do *not* follow the historic Christian faith.
One simple statement here should make it clear to most readers. How many Christian churches have you gone to who refer to Lucifer (i.e., "Satan") as Jesus Christ's brother. It keeps getting worse and downhill from there...
We're not talking about "rumors" here -- but *teaching* of the Mormon church. And this is absolutely *against* Christian theology. Like I said, it keeps going downhill from here.
Regards,
Star Traveler
What an eyeopener! LOL
Was Dr. Martin an Ordained minister?
Walter Martin has made several claims to authority to the ministry. However, the only ordination he had, when he first began his ministry, was revoked two years later. Since then, at various time over the next thirty-three years, he has falsely claimed to be an ordained Baptist minister, and ordained minister of the American Baptist Convention, and he presently claims to be an ordained minister of the Southern Baptist Convention. Our research indicates that he is none of the above. (Brown 1986, 3)
The fact that he was ordained in 1951 has been confirmed by a letter from his ordination pastor. However that same letter also states that his ordination was revoked.
"A few days before the ordination we discovered that Walter Martin's wife had obtained a divorce in Reno, Nevada. This fact was presented to the Ordination Council. We proceeded with the ordination on July 16, 1951 but with the understanding with Walter that if he ever re-married, we would have to revoke his ordination."
"It was in 1953 that we learned that Walter was re-married. We called the Ordination Council and informed them of our church's decision to revoke Walter's ordination, which our church did." (Brown 1986, 7)
In 1973, Walter Martin's first wife took him to court because she didn't feel that he was living up the the divorce agreement. Among other things she charged that he was he free-lance preacher. His reply is a matter of court record, "I would like to state that I am not a free-lance preacher, but an accredited professor of biblical studies and an ordained Minister of the American Baptist Convention in good standing" (Brown 1986, 298)
In 1984 the American Baptist were asked if they had record of an ordination of Walter Martin. Reverend Linda Spoolstra responded, "Walter Ralston Martin is not listed in the American Baptist Churches' Professional Registry, nor is he listed in our Directory of Professional Church Leaders. This means that he has no standing in our denomination." (Brown 1986, 9)
In 1975 Walter Martin filed suit against Bruce Johnson and the Latter-day Saints (which he lost). Under oath he made the following statements: "I am on the staff of the Melodyland Christian Center in Anaheim, and I am an ordained member of the Southern Baptist Convention, although I came from the American Baptist Convention" (Brown 1986, 13)
In Literature from the Christian Research Center which was founded by Walter Martin he again claims in 1980 to be a ordained minister and a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. However, Barbara Denman from the Home Mission Board responded, "We have searched our Southern Baptist annual, our Arizona convention annual and our own Home Mission Board personnel records for the name of Walter Martin, but were unable to come up with anything. Evidently, he is not Southern Baptist, nor is he ordained." (Brown 1986, 17)
The mystery is cleared up a little bit by Robert D. Hughes of the Southern Baptist Convention of California. This letter is interesting not only for what it shows about his his lack of ordination, but also for his actually lack of commitment as a Southern Baptist.
"According to the former pastor of the San Juan Capistrano church where Walter Martin held membership, there is no record of any Southern Baptist ordination."
"It seems he came to that church on promise of a letter from some American Baptist church or fellowship, and apparently was not too well investigated at the time. His attendance was very sporadic, according to the former pastor only one or two times a year during the time that he had knowledge of it. He assured me there was no real interest in Southern Baptist work or life but rather an opportunity on Mr. Martin's part to use that church to further his own agenda."
"It appears also that his financial support of the church was in the same league as his attendance, only a small amount once in a great while."
"This pastor does not consider him either a Southern Baptist in attitude and spirit or a supporter of Southern Baptist life and ministry." (Brown 1986, 18)
That Star Traveler would stoop to using such a discredited source is sad.
Yes, I LOVE being a grandma and can't wait to give the wee one his presents and his stocking. He won't remember it, but this being his very first Christmas, it is very special! And I can't wait to get some of his sweet kisses.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.