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The war between North and South
BostonGlobe ^ | May 9, 2006 | PETER S. CANELLOS

Posted on 05/09/2006 8:33:28 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

WASHINGTON -- Back in the 2004 presidential primaries, when Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont, suggested that Democrats should be competing for the votes of young men with Confederate flags on their pickups, politicians from both parties rushed to accuse him of repeating a vile Southern stereotype: the redneck with antiquated views on race. < SNIP >

''Howard Dean knows about as much about the South as a hog knows about Sunday," quipped Georgia Senator Zell Miller, the conservative Democrat who supported President Bush. ''Sure, we drive pickups, but on the back of those pickups, you see a lot of American flags. It's the most patriotic region in the country. And you see hard-working individuals that want to instill values in their children, and you see a very, very strong work ethic in the South. He doesn't understand the South." < SNIP >

Many Southerners express outrage at Northern depictions of Confederate-loving Southerners, even as they accede to the idea that the flag has a place in their regional heritage. Only those inside the Southern family circle can truly understand the region's complicated relationship with its own history.< SNIP >

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


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To: donmeaker

The north got lower prices for cotton through bartering their goods for cotton. Tariffs were on goods imported from overseas.

In effect every time the south bought goods from overseas or traded cotton for them They paid the tariff that went to the governemnt and when they traded with the North they had to get the goods from the north at a price almost as high as the imported goods with the tariff included.

Either way the south got screwed in the deal and they had no other options.




281 posted on 05/14/2006 4:47:41 AM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: ReignOfError; Hieronymus
Edward Jackson, klansman and quite possibly The first RINO

Edward Jackson has to be the first man that ever called himself a republican while attacking the very Ideas that founded the Republican party.

As for David Duke, only a democrat calling the republicans racists would agree that he was ever a republican in anything but name only. And Duke is sick enough to call himself a republican just to embarass the party

What the Klan believes and what The beliefs the republican party was founded upon are polar opposites and always has been. The same can not be said of the Democrats, they created the Klan.

282 posted on 05/14/2006 5:06:02 AM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: BillyBoy
All of the "union" states that had regions with slavery were the SAME places that were sympathetic to the "confederate cause" during the civil war...especially Maryland as you pointed out.

Not always the case. For example, General Sherman supported slavery and said so many times... he just opposed secession. In those border states where there was southern sympathy, the North just declared martial law... and would lock up local officials just on the suspicion that they sympathized with the south.

It's funny, these "neo-confederates" as you call them kept John Kerry out of the White House... yet those of you who have been indoctrinated by the left on this issue continue to bash them.

283 posted on 05/14/2006 5:13:14 AM PDT by CurlyBill (Democratic Party Agenda ------> Emasculate America)
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To: stainlessbanner

Didn't the Dems just put up a white supremist as a candidate for something in Alabama?


284 posted on 05/14/2006 5:14:58 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: usmcobra
The north got lower prices for cotton through bartering their goods for cotton. Tariffs were on goods imported from overseas.

So how did it work? Did the Northern industrialist say, "I'll swap you two barrels of nails for one bale of cotton?" By the mid 19th century we were not a barter economy. Northern consumers paid cash for cotton, and Southern consumers paid cash for the goods they obtained from the North. Northern consumers paid the market price for cotton, same as European consumers paid. Southern consumers paid an inflated price for any protected goods, same as Northern consumers paid. The concept that the tariff somehow impacted only the South is ridiculous. It hit everyone equally, North and South. The region that imported the most paid the higher percentage of the tariff. And it's clear from government statistics and quotes from the leaders of the time that the states that made up the North during the rebellion paid the largest percentage of the tariff. Which stands to reason because that's where most of the people where.

285 posted on 05/14/2006 5:52:47 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: M. Espinola
and we ALL see that you're still FR's main DUMB-bunny, who is also evidently a BIGOT.

free dixie,sw

286 posted on 05/14/2006 9:35:27 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: pcottraux
lol.

free dixie,sw

287 posted on 05/14/2006 9:36:02 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: donmeaker
TRUE!

free dixie,sw

288 posted on 05/14/2006 9:37:11 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: donmeaker
SOME of the WORST haters/RACISTS/ANTI-Semites i've ever had the DISpleasure of meeting were in DAMNyankeeland, specifically in BOSTON, MA!

the klan-CRETINS would feel "right at home" in south "beantown"!

free dixie,sw

289 posted on 05/14/2006 9:39:20 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: donmeaker
don't you WISH you were correct???? in point of fact, it was the INDUSTRIAL MIGHT & MUCH larger population that defeated the relatively FEW FREEDOM-fighters of the new CSA, who simply wished dixie FREE & to be "left alone".

it was TRUE, then & now, that the DAMNyankee elites HATE/fear LIBERTY & want to "tend to everyone else's business".

free dixie,sw

290 posted on 05/14/2006 9:42:27 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: donmeaker
"let's put it this way" =====> your post is FICTION, endlessly repeated to FOOL the IGNORANT masses & to try to 'wash the blood from the hands" of the DAMNyankee elites.

even lincoln, the TYRANT, stated that the war was ONLY to "preserve the union".

FACT!

free dixie,sw

291 posted on 05/14/2006 9:44:29 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: donmeaker
nope. i correctly assume that a penny is worth about as much as lincoln's presidency was.

free dixie,sw

292 posted on 05/14/2006 9:46:28 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: x
i bothered to respond to your DUMB post #265, lest someone with an "IQ above room temperature", fails to note that it is SELF-righteous FICTION and in your case, (unlike some of the DY coven) KNOWINGLY FALSE!

SOME of the MOST VICIOUS RACISTS in the nation were/ARE in DAMNyankleeland.

free dixie,sw

293 posted on 05/14/2006 9:51:26 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stainlessbanner
[ The shills on FR that jump up and down about political parties really don't understand the political history of our Republic. ]

Neither does Bush.. he always calls this nation a democracy..
Listen closely and you can detect the democrat in him..
i.e. "I'm a Unite'er not a Divide'er"... But they will have none of it..

294 posted on 05/14/2006 9:51:54 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: usmcobra
"We real southerners, find ya'll embarassin, kinda like a bunch of redheaded idiot cousins we keep behind the woodshed."

No "real" Southerner would spit on his own heritage. Besides......you look Italian to me.

295 posted on 05/14/2006 9:53:56 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: BillyBoy
once more, using the "term of abuse" of "neo-confederate" marks the USER as an ignorant LUNATIC, a HATER & a FOOL of the first class.

that term was coined by morris dees, the shyster-in-chief of the "southern poverty law center", a extreme LEFTIST clavern of $$$$$$-grasping, LEFTIST shysters, who are interested in ONLY $$$$$$$$$$$ & POWER.

free dixie,sw

296 posted on 05/14/2006 9:56:01 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Godebert
"msmcobra" is NOT a loyal southerner, but rather that "lowliest of creatures", the SCALAWAG/turncoat.

free dixie,sw

297 posted on 05/14/2006 9:58:54 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: M. Espinola

I like THOSE Yankees :)


298 posted on 05/14/2006 10:03:44 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: donmeaker

Also the ones who kicked his *ss at Cold Harbor.


299 posted on 05/14/2006 10:05:27 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
and at a LOT of other places, too.

truthfully, grant wasn't MUCH a a battle leader.

he just "arrived in the eastern theater" at a point when the south as about OUT of EVERYTHING.

qualified/trained officers,fresh troops, supplies, food & about everything else necessary to successfully prosecute the war (except BRAVERY & HONOR!) were UNavailable or in very short supply.

free dixie,sw

300 posted on 05/14/2006 11:05:38 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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