Posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by Pukin Dog
Just a little dose of reality for some of you going nuts over the Immigration issue, because there is NO chance that you will win on the border enforcement issue. No chance whatsoever. Only after a migrant worker program passes, making most of these illegal aliens legal, is there any chance at all to have meaningful border enforcement.
Bush is not running for office anymore, but the Republican Congress is in need of a big victory in November. This issue will kill our chances to maintain the majority, and knowing that, Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony, if that bill does not include the migrant worker program (call it amnesty if you want) needed to hold onto Business and Hispanic support for the Republican Party.
The Illegal Immigration Genie is out of the bottle, folks. You cant stuff her back in without losing the House and/or Senate in November. Pragmatic minds will rule in the end, and that is a bitter pill you best swallow now.
FReepers cant will elections for the Republican Party, but we sure can go a long way towards losing them, if we cant put our common sense ahead of our passions on this issue. I live in San Diego County, and I see the problems with illegal immigration on a daily basis.
Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans wont do for the prevailing wage.
So, you have a choice, you can demand the border enforcement bills on their own, or you can swallow hard and consider everything you will lose if we turn off 10-15% of the electorate, in addition to the business community that depends on these workers. Yeah, they broke the law, and so do the people who hire them.
So what?
Yeah, I said it, SO WHAT? The time to be worried about that was when there were REAL Republican majorities in the Border States. It is too late now. This is a problem that cannot be solved, but only managed.
It is possible to be right and stupid at the same time. Pete Wilson tried this a few years ago, got all kinds of support for it. It passed, and Pete Wilson is gone. Then a judge overturned it anyway. That is exactly what you can expect to happen with these current bills as well. Some judge will put an injunction on enforcement, but by the time that happens, we will be knee-deep into impeachment proceeding under a Democrat Congress.
Bush wont let that happen, neither will smarter members of the Senate and House. You wont win, you cant win, but you can shoot yourself and the Republican party in the head (even if you are not a member) by pursuing a program that does not include amnesty or whatever you want to call it.
We lost this one.
Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.
I like that!
NEWBIE alert. Funny, Puken. The troll agrees with you. Kinda makes you think, doesn't it?
Welcome back, Dog. Some people seem to think that conservatism is a political suicide pact.
Shout that from the roof tops!
My question was how to deport 20 million. It didn't involve new ones coming in.
Yeah, like I said earlier...your solution of 50,000 involves huge tax increases for the states. I don't consider a tax hike a good solution.
Where is Poodle Dog? He's probably hiding out under some Senorita's skirt.
President Bush can give the Illegals Amnesty and a chicken in every pot, and STILL not win one Illegal over to vote for a Republican.
Bush needs to Harriet that ilegal plan, because we're going to Mier him in the deep stuff if he doesn't. If he keeps this up, I don't have that big a problem with letting him spend his last two years putting out fires and living with a congressional probe up his butt to keep him out of trouble.
The Senate will pass its bill, and neither side will yield in conference.
The status quo will prevail.
Again...I don't mind this if more are actually doing something. However, the agents at the border wouldn't solve the problem of deporting the 20,000,000 already in the country.
As brilliant as yours?
And one more thing. I think some people here just don't like Mexicans.
I was just testing The Shmarmy Weasel Technique to see if I could match your perfection of its implementation.
you're a bot.
The 100000 (at least) Mexicans who (peacefully) stormed Chicago about 2 weeks ago were essentially saying they have not considered staying home and demanding their rights in their own country.
We have become a steam release valve for the discontented who should be home fighting for their country.
Your approach is the short sighted "solution" to the problem, as you kind of admit by referring to it as the "place to begin". So be it. But I don't think you will get your wish, and in the mean time the problem will continue.
OUR government is the problem as far as we are concerned and if they don't take a tough line politically with the Mexican government, nothing will work long term. Bush and ALL the rest are the problem, fix them and you are well on your way to a true long term cure.
We need politicains with balls, not just against jihadists, but with enough balls to speak the truth on all the issues.
Illegal and probably legal aliens are prospective or proto-type democrats.. This issue will relegate the republican party to political suicide.. If you are a republican you're leaders are stenghening THE ENEMY.. activily, strongly, in your face, and with no apology..
Ockhams law demands, whos the idiots.. Republicans OR democrats.?.. Looks like the democrats are pretty smart.. politically.. and republicans are drooling automatons.. in severe denial.. hard truth to accept.. very hard..
Really? You mean the way I seem to avoid controversy and anger at all costs? LOL.
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