Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 10

Various News Outlets | 7/28/05

[TexKat]

Previous Natalee Holloway Threads

Firefighters drain a lake, Tuesday, July 26, 2005, in Oranjestad, Aruba searching for Alabama teenager, Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island. Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Holloway's disappearance but would not comment further. The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

[Rippersnapper]

That isn't what you asked and in my post I was just pointing out how gingersnaps was getting grief over her name change when she had explained that she had forgotten her password from non use and had to start fresh. Yet, when stlnative used a different screen name she didn't get attacked and called a retread.

From my understanding of the mod's post, they wanted stlnative to have just one account to post from. That seems reasonable.

We all have had to put up with being 'new accounts' at some time in our memberships here at FR.

We'll have to wait though to ask gingersnaps how she has been treated with her new account status.

[theophilusscribe]

Absolutely fascinating! Thanks!

[onyx]

I have NO idea, but I can tell you this much... I didn't see anything in her posts that merited a banning, so I can only surmise that she was banned AFTER somebody hit abuse and it was determined that her's was an ISP returnee from the land of ZOT.

[Rippersnapper]

Private Investigator T.J.Ward, who is working for the Twitty family, speaks to a journalist from People magazine about his investigation. Ward’s recent finding of a witness sadly fizzled out after she couldn’t identify the make or color of the car or even the date or time it passed by her home adjacent to the Racquet Club.

That was something I had wondered about with these 'new wtinesses'. I hadn't seen them state for certain the date of the sighting. With these guys being friends, it is possible that they might go to certain parking lots as meeting places for various reasons.

Teenagers are notorious for just 'cruising' or driving around and around and around. jmo

[bonfire]

Nothing new here. Freepers turning on eachother.

So who's the snitch ??

[onyx]

I have no idea because I didn't bother to trace the replies and banter between gingersnaps and other posters.

[varina davis]

"I monitored this thread most of yesterday and you are so right --- the sniping was out of hand. Some people think this thread is their own private domain. Not so, and I for one, am running out of patience with the smarmy attacks on posters who are not a part of the clique."

It's degenerating into kindergarten 101. Hilarious, really. Only reason to check in is to see who's still standing after the latest round.

[bonfire]

Yep. All teenagers have hangouts....parking lots, car washes, McDonald's. I'll bet if they concentrated on the teens they would get alot of info about the three perps.

[Rippersnapper]

Until then, though, nothing is ruled out. Not even Venezuela!

I agree and without anything indicating otherwise she 'could' (and I hope) still be alive.

[onyx]

LOL! Thanks for a good morning laugh!

[Rippersnapper]

I have NO idea, but I can tell you this much... I didn't see anything in her posts that merited a banning, so I can only surmise that she was banned AFTER somebody hit abuse and it was determined that her's was an ISP returnee from the land of ZOT.

When you click on her screen name is says the account has either been suspended or banned. We will have to wait and see if 'gingersnaps' was only suspended or not.

[LongViewSC]

"Yes, it is considered kidnapping under Aruban Law and welcome Long View."

Thanks MAWG, so we can hope that new leadership in the case will at least pursue this? Kidnapping charges may be the only system-administered justice the family can hope to see applied. If the new team does not find Natalee within a few weeks, the body disposal probably involved more than just the three prime suspects. IT seems highly unlikely that Joran Van Def Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers had time to get Natalee out to sea on the night of her disappearance. More likely, she was buried quickly in a shallow grave.

"No body" in this case indicates that PVDS and his corrupt LE friends probably got rid of the body at sea in the first few days of the investigation. I find it hard to imagine people that would do such things, but apparently, some of the people on these islands regard American girls as sport not people. I hope justice is served soon.

[Rippersnapper]

So who's the snitch ??

Someone that didn't like 'gingersnaps'?

[theophilusscribe]

Well, hi brigette. Sorry you've had such a rough time and that your FReeper protection cover has been blown.

Missed you, though, I guess you were here all along . . . Glad to know you're still here . . .

[bolta_lightnin]

Hiya Froufrou and All:
I'm kinda new here too. Stopping in with a request. No, I'm begging. Please, for G_ds sake, will somebody check behind the Allegro and the Wyndham properties with the ground penetrating equipment. This before they spend 3 days at the landfill and possibly get discouraged. The hiding location clues that I've been gathering Since June 22 match up with what's below. They have been consistent.
I am begging you.

If you plug in slightly revised definitions to "SHANGO" chat of June 26th as follows, it becomes clear that both Shango and Josse Manseure know what happened to Natalee and where she was hidden. There was a very teasing message that was posted by Joran on SM June 7th that solidifies location and there was a second one by him on the same day that was an
immaturely crafted attempt to tighten the noose around the Security Guards who were picked up June 5th.

Please notice Josses' mention of a "Gardner" on June 26th
Pay attention to the usage of "FEAST" as it links back to Joran's June 7th post on S,M.
Heartfelt thanks,
CC

A SECOND LOOK AT SHANGO
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:YGgH-SR1_mgJ:www.nataleeholloway.net/forum_posts.asp%3FTID%3D466+shango+clues+by+date&hl=en
*Mary=NATALEE
*The Lamb=JORAN
*Shivas=KALPOES, INCLUDING KALPOE MAMA
*Dirty Hand=THE GARDNER
*Dirty Hand Dirty Feet=Aruban L.E. Chief
*The Elder=THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT
*His Lordship=G.M. of THE ALLEGRO
*Sacrifice=EXPOSURE OF INSIDE INFORMANTS
*Follow the music=LYRICS TO"ARUBA PALACE"
*Sumerians= THE SECURITY GUARDS
*Babylonians=*ORGANIZED CRIME
*Babylonia=THE MOB COMMUNITY
*Babylonia Palace=THE ALLEGRO OCCIDENTAL HOTEL
(FORMERLY THE AMERICANA ARUBA AND PALACE CASINO)
*Fort=JORAN/KALPOE HIDE OUT=WHERE NATALEE WAS STASHED.
IT IS AN OBSCURED UNDERGROUND ROOM ON THE WYNDHAM PROPERTY
(FORMERLY THE HILTON)
NEXT DOOR TO THE ALLEGRO ACCESSABLE BY AN ALLEY AND GATED

*Arawaks=*C.I.A.
*Tribe=A GROUP WORKING TO EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION W/I Aruba
*Arawak King= GEORGE BUSH
*46th Spirit=JOSSE MANSEUR *SIMIAN=ALSO JOSSE MANSEUR
*Teepees= ARUBAN ECONOMY
*Men who play dice & Roll=CROOKED DEALERS AT THE ALLEGRO CASINO
*Keystone=*MAIN ACTORS
*The Lions=CONSUMERS OF UNDERWORLD GOODS AND SERVICES
*The Maze= RAVE HQ ; IT IS AT THE ALLEGRO
*Feed the messangers=PAY INFORMANTS
*Light the fires=BREAK SYNDICATE CONTROL OF ARUBA NOW!
*The Key=THIS IS AN ACTUAL KEY TO WHERE NATALEE WAS HIDDEN
*Cowboys=THE USA /TOURISTS ALSO THE U.S. HOTEL CHAIN OWNERS
*Indians= ARUBAN CITIZENS
*Loot=NATALEE
*Wampum= MONEY

*Doppleganger=IMPOSTER OF JOSSE MANSEUR
*Eden=TRUTH also means SEVERING OF MOB CONTROL
*cowboy gods=FOX, MSNBC, CNN

[Rippersnapper]

Have the ATM withdrawals ever been confirmed? I was wondering if the money withdrawn might have been hush money to pay off the Kalpoe brothers and buy their silence about whatever may have occured.

[onyx]

I am talking about tracking her posts on this thread (some, if not all) have NOT been deleted. Try #350 for example.

Were I interested, I suppose I could research her posts and banter and make a pretty good guess as to the identity of the person(s) who might have hit abuse on gs, but I am not interested and I do not care whether she's suspended or banned.

[theophilusscribe]

That's certainly the hope! Until we know for sure she's not, we gotta hope!

[truthluva]

As I understand the reason had something to do with a food order. Some have implied it was due to her not calling in to work when she was not going to be there when her boys were getting out of detention. So...not 100% sure of the real reason.

[Rippersnapper]

I already read that portion of the thread, I have a pretty good idea who hit abuse already. lol