Posted on 04/07/2005 5:32:55 AM PDT by Kokojmudd
Illegal entrant taped holding 'caught' T-shirt By Michael Marizco ARIZONA DAILY STAR
PALOMINAS - Cochise County officials said they are investigating two Minuteman volunteers after an illegal entrant complained Wednesday to authorities that he was held against his will.
One of the men paid the illegal entrant $20 and gave him a T-shirt to hold up while he filmed the encounter. The T-shirt read: "Bryan Barton Caught an Illegal Alien and all I got was this T-shirt," said Carol Capas, spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff's Department.
It's the first encounter where an illegal entrant has filed a complaint against Minuteman Project volunteers since the monthlong controversial protest started Friday. Volunteers have gathered in Southern Arizona to protest what they said is the federal government's inability to control the border.
Critics said the encounter is the first sign that the Minuteman Project is a "sham" meant to humiliate illegal entrants.
The incident started Wednesday afternoon when Barton, 24, and a second Minuteman volunteer encountered the illegal entrant on Arizona 92 near Palominas, Capas said.
Barton said he gave the man the T-shirt and $20 plus food and water. Then he filmed the man holding up the T-shirt.
The volunteers then called the Border Patrol, which sent agents to pick up the entrant. Once in custody, the entrant complained about being held by the volunteers.
"It was supposed to be funny," Barton said about the encounter.
Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever didn't think so.
"We have no time or patience for anyone attempting to turn this situation into a three-ring circus," he said.
The Cochise County Attorney's Office is also investigating the complaint.
Barton, who is running for Congress in San Diego on the Republican ticket, said he's not worried about charges being filed and that he never held the man against his will.
He said deputies seized the video for evidence. No arrests have been made in the incident.
"This shows what we've been saying all along," said Jennifer Allen, director of the Border Action Network.
"It was nothing but a media sham to mislead the public," she said. "Clearly they misrepresented the situation. They misrepresented themselves."
Minuteman Project organizers Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist could not be reached for comment Wednesday.
● Contact Michael Marizco at 573-4213 or mmarizco@azstarnet.com.
Have you ever violated a law?
You people who persist in living cheek and jowl with the Mexicans on that Southern border only know the half of it.
Spiff, one of the intellectual challenges here that I can not allow you to get away with is this: You can't come to this website and post your updates from the front lines, get the feedback and kudos from your fellow border enforcers, and yet detach yourself from some of the vile, hateful and outright prejudiced things that are included in these comments. I know you disavow many of them, but that's not enough. You are the one mixing the project with FR. Therefore, the comments you elicit on FR reflect on the project. You can't have it both ways.
I usually regret when people are banned or chose to leave. But there are also people that I am not sorry to see get banned.
This site forbids obvious personal attacks, so many people resort to a very passive-aggressive technique that does nothing to contribute to any dialog, but is instead the 'smear by association' tactic, combined with innuendo and interrogative misdirection. Your post here is an example.
I have obviously indicated that I am interested in debate. To have debate, there must be more than one side to the debate, therefore including those that disagree with me. This dynamic is obvious to anyone reading my posts with an open mind.
Yet, your post, through it's interrogative misdirection, seems to indicate a position that is exactly the opposite of what I have called for in supporting 'intellectually honest' debate.
I have never indicated that I would wish those that disagree with me should not be allowed to post. I have indicated that I would be happy if those that consistently use this passive-aggressive and fundamentally dishonest baiting tactic would disappear.
That tactic results in threads like this one being thrown (as we now see) into the SBR or deleted altogether. It does nothing to further anyone's understanding of the issues. I believe that those people (and there are exactly 4 of you left at this point) who consistently use this fundamentally dishonest and childish form of thread baiting would be asked to leave. The signal-to-noise ration of this site would improve dramatically as a result.
Yes the basement that he hasn't destroyed yet, to get the impure elements out(it was remodeled by illegal alien labor), contrary to his(tancredo's) rhetoric.
By "Open Border Whackos" I was referring to Jennifer Allen of the Border Action Network as well as Isabel Garcia of Derechos Humanos. These are the truly whacked out people I was condemning. Are you siding with them?
Additionally, associating someone with the KKK is far worse than implying they're a bit loopy.
The bottom line is that I was not referring to you or anyone else here when I used the term "open borders whackos". And, by the way, the people I was referring to are part of the rent-a-mob that shows up at the anti-American "peace" marches, the pro-gay marriage events, the anti-corporate/anarchy events, the enviro terrorist marches, etc. These are leftists of the worst sort. Whacko is one of the mildest pejorative that can be used to describe them.
Are you sure they really have American interests at heart, or do they have some other less well known agenda?
Hmm, like the way hillary and the clintons work.
You're right. I exceeded the speed limit once or twice, jay-walked the other day, and downloaded an MP3 to my computer. So, we need to stop enforcing all laws!! I understand now.
Well, can I ask you to adopt an approach that I have and am particularly proud of. I NEVER press the abuse button and NEVER bump a moderator. It doesn't matter how vile a name I am called or even in the case of that earlier call for murder. I just don't do it. Stand here and defend your ground. If your side adopted the same approach I could almost guarantee that the threads would stay in the place you put them and would not be deleted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my suspicion all along has been that because those that disagree with you do it politely and without the name calling, you get frustrated because you can't report them. If you just delete the abuse button from your mind and defend when challenged, it will be a much more positive experience for us all.
You're still posting in a thread on FR where killing illegal aliens was advocated. You can't disassociate yourself from the fact that you're still on the thread and still a member of Free Republic.
Neither you nor I are responsible for the rhetoric of others. We don't even have the responsibility to condemn it because we don't run this forum and it really has nothing to do with either one of us. We're only responsible for our own actions and not the actions of others. We have no control over what other people think or say, neither should we have that control.
Additionally, the people here who have posted what they have are not Minuteman Project volunteers. It is a far stretch to somehow connect their unfortunate rhetoric to the activities of the Minuteman Project.
Can't see any difference between that sort of attitude and what you can find at your friendly neighborhood abortionists.
What I wonder is just how long these guys have been in the country anyway. Can't have been more than a couple of generations to be so jealous of all the advantages Mexicans get for sneaking in to live as illegals.
Everyone is invited to my debates - kooks, wackos, whomever. And I'm more than willing to engage the other side(s) using whatever retoric is most effective. However, if we agree to limit the retoric, I'm fine with that too. But, it's not a one way street.
BTW, Santa Ana won the battle of the Alamo.
Another lie.
Not at all. But we each subconsciously assign a nuisance factor to each law that exists before we chose to disregard them, either as a violator of the law, or an observer.
"Another lie."
Illegal labor aided Tancredo
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E867981%257E,00.html
I hit the abuse button when someone uses an overtly racist phrase or word, calls for violence, or has just joined to post a hit and run ... which means that I am more than likely to hit abuse on someone much less subtle than you.
I don't believe I have ever pinged a mod to a thread ... it is obvious that they are on the ball anyway.
As to defending my ground ... I have spent the better part of this thread defending myself against things I have never said, positions I have never taken, and dynamics I have never embraced than I have any position that truly reflects me.
That is why I am so fed up with the baiting.
"What's Wrong With Being Liberal? Everything. To be a liberal one must believe that weakness and failure are virtues, strength and success must be punished, and cap it all off with an irredeemable sense of smug self-righteousness."
Describes you to a tee... Note from muawiyah to muawiyah, avoid myself - and move to Meheco!
Uh it ain't a lie(Tancredo using illegal labor to remodel his basement).
Article Published: Thursday, September 19, 2002 Illegal labor aided Tancredo
Workers say they redid basement for immigration critic
By Michael Riley, Denver Post Staff Writer
Undocumented immigrants helped remodel U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo's Littleton basement, two of the workers told The Denver Post.
The workers said they were among a crew of five or six people who labored for contractor Creative Drywall Design of Denver, creating a home theater with terraced seating, a billiards table and game area, and a bedroom for Tancredo, a Republican and one of the nation's most vocal immigration critics.
All but one of the crew were undocumented immigrants from Latin America, according to two of the workers. The Denver Post is not naming the employees because of the possibility that identification might lead to legal proceedings against them.
Tancredo didn't break any laws, according to immigration lawyers briefed on the case. He never asked whether the workers - only two of whom spoke English - were in the country legally, said Eric Givan, project manager for the company...
Hey, the best to Cong. Tancredo. I ain't the one to pry into who remodels his basement. If tancredo was true to his current rhetoric he would get the sledgehammer himself and destroy his "impure labor remodeled" basement.
Oh yeah, did you know tancredo got his start in govt. in the "Education dept.". Yep that's right, Mr. Tancredo can owe his start on the road to being a Congressman to Jimmy Carter(who started the cabinet level Education dept.) .
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