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To: fortheDeclaration; HarleyD; GLENNS; thePilgrim; RnMomof7
You continue to offer our side of the debate and call it your own.

Fine by me. Grace saves. Faith is the instrument God employs to bestow His grace. It's what we've been saying from day one.

Calvinists A.T. Robinson, Gill, and Calvin all say it is the instrument by which we are saved, not just a sign that we are saved

God could have given us a fortune cookie to tell us of His bestowal of grace, ftd, with the following verse inside...

"YOU ARE SAVED BY THE ATONING SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST WHO DIED IN YOUR STEAD. FALL TO YOUR KNEES AND THANK GOD ALMIGHTY

But the cookie doesn't save us; HIS GRACE SAVES US through faith in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

One day, God willing, you'll get the distinction. It's the difference between Geneva and Rome. Monergism/synergism.

818 posted on 01/27/2005 4:19:52 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; Corin Stormhands; P-Marlowe
You continue to offer our side of the debate and call it your own. Fine by me. Grace saves. Faith is the instrument God employs to bestow His grace. It's what we've been saying from day one.

No, you did not say that faith was an instrument, you said it was a result of regeneration.

And as those theologians stated it is what man is required to do.

Calvinists A.T. Robinson, Gill, and Calvin all say it is the instrument by which we are saved, not just a sign that we are saved God could have given us a fortune cookie to tell us of His bestowal of grace, ftd, with the following verse inside... "YOU ARE SAVED BY THE ATONING SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST WHO DIED IN YOUR STEAD. FALL TO YOUR KNEES AND THANK GOD ALMIGHTY But the cookie doesn't save us; HIS GRACE SAVES US through faith in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

You have to believe what the message says before you are saved.

Faith cometh by hearing, not by regeneration. (Rom.10:17)

That means that faith is how we are saved and how we approbriate Grace.

One day, God willing, you'll get the distinction. It's the difference between Geneva and Rome. Monergism/synergism.

No, one day you will actually believe what the scripture says.

So, in your Christian walk, how is your faith?

Are you choosingto yield to God or rejecting God and sinning.

Or does God do the choosing there also, giving you the faith sometimes and allowing you to sin others?

Faith is how we walk with God, Faith is how we are saved by God.

Faith is how we please God.

And believing is what you choose to do or not do.

I expect that in a month you will be back proclaiming that faith is a sign that you have been regenerated and not an instrument to obtain that regeneration.

820 posted on 01/27/2005 4:38:09 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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