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To: Revelation 911; Corin Stormhands; xzins; P-Marlowe
"...which is fine - just understand, youve departed from Spurgeon who regarded Wesley quite fondly despite his theology"

Please tell me where I've done that? I've read Wesley's bibliography and happen to think fondly of him as well although I would take exception to his theology.

But at least now I know the definition of hyper calvinist-one who doesn't think well of Wesley. :O)

662 posted on 01/26/2005 8:05:54 AM PST by HarleyD (aka Codename: Heretic Harley)
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To: HarleyD; Corin Stormhands; xzins; P-Marlowe
You know Harley - I have to apologize - youre no hyper Calvinist - But the discussion raises an interesting situation

Spurgeon: What is the heresy of Rome, but the addition of something to the perfect merits of Jesus Christ, - the bringing in of the works of the flesh, to assist in our justification? And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation after having once believed in Jesus. Such a gospel I abhor

Spurgeon: Most atrocious things have been spoken about the character and spiritual condition of John Wesley, the modern prince of Arminians. I can only say concerning him that, while I detest many of the doctrines which he preached, yet for the man himself I have a reverence second to no Wesleyan; and if there were wanted two apostles to be added to the number of the twelve, I do not believe that there could be found two men more fit to be so added than George Whitfield and John Wesley. (C. H. Spurgeon's Autobiography, Vol. 1, p. 173, in "A Defence Of Calvinism," The Banner Of Truth Trust edition

how does this square with Galatians 1:8-9 ?

8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

So- by looking at it Harley - youre no hyper.......But IMO - ya'all might want to give a second thought to spending time in a camp with someone so conflicted as to dis-regard Scripture to promote a "heretic" as a "Saint"

have a great day

Rev

669 posted on 01/26/2005 8:56:18 AM PST by Revelation 911
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