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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; thePilgrim; Corin Stormhands; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7
The simple fact of the matter is that if we use thePilgrim's definition of "Arminianism" then it is clear to me that there are no known Arminian posters on Free Republic.

You bring up a good point PM, something I struggle with constantly. Calvinism is rather well documented and when we say someone is a Calvinist we can pretty well define what the beliefs are. There may be some minor differences over some of the finer points but for the most part we tend to be in agreement on the monergistic belief in salvation.

On the other hand, we Calvinists are constantly telling the other side their soteriology is mixed up. However it is difficult for us to know what that "other side" represents since we find this group represents Wesleyans, Pentecostals, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, non-denominational groups, Brethrens, Nazarenes, LDS, and who knows what else. We lump them together and call them “Arminians” but as you rightly pointed out, all these various groups don’t completely follow everything Arminius taught. The only thing these groups have in common is the free will concept.

The question becomes what should we call this miscellaneous group of synergistic Christians? If we called them the Synergistics that sound like a ‘60’s rock group. I would hesitate to call it the “Misfits” for fear of being banned. We could use your label of the Neeners but then most are not members of the Neeners. There is also the label, “Free Willers” but I’d be afraid that would be confused with the whale.

If you don’t think "Arminian" is an accurate title please help us Calvinists who are struggling for something that correctly identifies the soteriology. All of us reformers are happy to be called Calvinists. We only want your happiness.

628 posted on 01/26/2005 5:35:37 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe; xzins; thePilgrim; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; fortheDeclaration; ...
What's with the need of labeling us at all? The only label we have collectively claimed here on FReeRepublic is "neener." And that's purely as a spoof of the pomposity of the GRPL list (and please, we all know it's not "just a ping list").

Why this obsessive need to lump all non-Calvinists together? Do you not consider the neeners to be your brothers in Christ? Do you not consider us Christians?

Yes, we may differ in our soteriology, but what is it about the GRPLs that doesn't allow you to reference us without some derogatory terminology?

AFAIK, none of the neeners wear the label "Arminian" outside of FReeRepublic. Yes, we're all identified with our respective denominations, just as the GRPLs are.

But it's the GPRLs who claim the name of a man. It's the GRPLs that say "Calvinism is the gospel." It's the GRPLs that say "all Christians will be Calvinists in glory."

And quite frankly, that shows your weakness and your dependence upon a man-made theology.

You see, WE know the only name that will matter in glory is that of the Almighty, the King of Kings, the Lord of Hosts.

And, if my holiness background allowed me to bet, I'd put money on John Calvin saying exactly the same thing.

629 posted on 01/26/2005 5:59:21 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (All we have to decide is what to do with the crap that we are given...)
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To: HarleyD

Actually it is not that hard.. there is little PURE Arminianism here.

There are Wesleyan /Arminians and there are the group like most baptists that are Cal-Arminians (OSAS Arminians)

But the foundation is the same...


630 posted on 01/26/2005 6:06:57 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: HarleyD; Corin Stormhands

As a career military chaplain I ran across more denominations that I can remember. Most of them had some definite distinctives and were easy to tell apart. Others were similar and could have been combined and it would have made little difference. Major denominational groups had wide differences and because of that even required separate provisions for ministry.

For example, I was never puzzled about differences between the LDS and the Orthodox.

Perhaps your inability to distinguish these things explains your inability to adquately deal with other Christians on these pages. You might try attending some of these various groups so you begin to get a useful understanding of them.


633 posted on 01/26/2005 6:26:33 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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