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To: fortheDeclaration

You are putting your preconceived doctrinal beliefs into the Scripture. There is one Gospel. And you are seriously trying to tell me that Ananias, who was sent to Paul by God, gave the wrong speech to Paul? That would mean that God messed up, which is blasphemy. Step away from your preconceived ideas and read the Scriptures for what they are, the true Word of the living God.


471 posted on 01/24/2005 2:02:50 PM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122; fortheDeclaration
You are putting your preconceived doctrinal beliefs into the Scripture. There is one Gospel. And you are seriously trying to tell me that Ananias, who was sent to Paul by God, gave the wrong speech to Paul? That would mean that God messed up, which is blasphemy. Step away from your preconceived ideas and read the Scriptures for what they are, the true Word of the living God.

Well lets put the words of Jesus into this ok?

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

No emphasis on the need of Baptism .... he did not say that he that believeth not and is not baptized will be damned.. the only certain prerequisite is believing

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

"....for the remission of sins; not that forgiveness of sin could be procured either by repentance, or by baptism; for this is only obtained by the blood of Christ;"( Gill)

Note that Peter never preached that again. All through the rest of Acts what is preached is repent and believe

474 posted on 01/24/2005 3:32:48 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: jkl1122
You are putting your preconceived doctrinal beliefs into the Scripture. There is one Gospel. And you are seriously trying to tell me that Ananias, who was sent to Paul by God, gave the wrong speech to Paul? That would mean that God messed up, which is blasphemy. Step away from your preconceived ideas and read the Scriptures for what they are, the true Word of the living God.

No, Ananias did not give the wrong speech to Paul, he gave the one that was still at that time in effect.

However, in Acts 10-11 Cornileus is saved before he is baptized.

That opened Peter's eyes to the fact that the Gentiles were now being saved like the Jews had been and that spirit Baptism was on the basis of faith, with water being a sign of that faith. (1Pet.3:21)

Baptism is seen as a figure.

A figure of what?

The death,burial and Resurrection of Christ, who paid for our sins.(1Cor.15)

Acts 2 is dealing with Christ death as a Son of David and that is what Peter preached thinking Christ was going to return to set up His Davidic Kingdom (which He will someday).

Nowhere do you see Christ dying for anyone's sins in Acts 2.

That was the Kingdom Gospel preached by Christ (Mk.1:14,Matt.4:17, Lk.4:43) and the basis for John the Baptist baptism.

I hope, my friend, you are not trusting anything but the shed blood of Christ for your salvation, including water Baptism which cannot wash away any sins.

494 posted on 01/24/2005 5:21:36 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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