Posted on 01/21/2005 6:34:28 AM PST by P-Marlowe
Just remember, my sister, that this does not reflect badly upon us.
In the service of the Lord,
Christian.
Maybe he got just a little too close to the "third rail"...otherwise known as Truth.
And I (and many) of the Protestants that post here were RC ...and still have a standing in that church even though we rebuke some of its teachings.
Wesley lived and died and was buried as an Anglican priest with out a church or a pulpit there.
GRPL (grand reformed purge list )
Hmmmmm....one has to wonder if there were any great Arminian preachers who switched to the Reform view and never renounced their Arminian church?
So what?
OK.
Arminians who switched to the Dortist view is a better way of putting it, however, I get your point.
I'm trying to think of one, because there probably is....just on the basis of probability if nothing else.
I don't know Whitefield's early history, so I don't know what route he traveled in getting to his dortism....but he's a possibility.
It's a possibility with just about any of the Anglicans since they had both ends of the calvinist spectrum operating within their church.
Any Arminian who "switched to the Dortist view" is by definition no longer an Arminian. Arminianism and Calvinism are not two flavors of the same pie. Arminians abandoned Calvin for a partial return to Rome. Your mischaracterization of yourself and other Arminians fools no one who knows the doctrines, but it needs to be pointed out for those who might otherwise be fooled.
Arminians are NOT Calvinists, in any way, shape or form. They are not "Calvinists of the Arminian persuasion", or Reformed. The Synod of Dort made a sharp distinction between The Remonstrants and Calvinists. Arminianism grew out of the Remonstrance. They departed Calvinism, and in so doing can no longer rightfully claim or hold the name Calvinist. For you to do so is deceptive.
Isn't it difficult enough to try and sort through each others' ideas and opinions and faith without making up words and inserting this dissembling into the mix? It reveals a weak position to do so.
Mostly restraining myself from responding in kind.
The spectrum of calvinism is larger than the synod of dort. Dort was after ARMINIUS' death. And Arminius was schooled after CALVIN'S death.
It was some time later, and Arminius was never kicked out of calvinism. Until his dying day, and after all his writings, he maintained his calvinist pulpit and his professorship at a leading calvinist university. During his lifetime he was always able to defend himself.
I'm considering a paper on this and posting it in the next few months.....the spectrum of calvinism in the first century of the reformation.
Therefore, those who really wish to have a more historical view should view it as a continuum with dortist calvinism far over on one side an arminian calvinism on the other.
Here is a link to the book via the following chapter:
Spoken like a true Liberal, always trying to rewrite history.
Boettner would be a good source, since (s)he(?) is a often quoted, much published dortist.
New histories should come out every now and then. That's one reason Herodatus isn't the major text in history classes.
New information generates another look.....and should.
Interesting that over the last 500 years or so, REAL Arminian scholars were unable to find evidence of this theory. (comment from a friend)
No, xzins, this is not a "fresh look" at history. This is nothing more than you trying to get under the skins of the GRPL. You have actively stood against the doctrines of Calvinism for years. For you to now claim the title and combine it with its antithesis is disingenuous at best, and oxymoronic at worst.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth; Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. (Eph 5:3-12)
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ftd comments that he doubts some Calvinists are saved and Frumanchu gets erased? What's the story?Fru's a Calvinist, FTD's not. 'Nuff said.
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