Well, why don't we just permanently bozo-filter the three worst offenders (Espinola, capitan_refugio, and fortheDeclaration) write them off as lost causes as far as discussion, exposition, and counterargument are concerned, and go back to the original topic put up by Caipirabob, the thread host? It's still there: his post about a movie that is supposedly coming out called Confederacy 2005, which is some sort of "what-if" scenario, obviously.