Not responding to the direct treasonable quotes I posted, and attempting to switch your obvious embarrassment by the printed facts concerning the hidden agenda of hardcore neo-Confederates, does not erase the facts concerning this subversive collection malcontents.
Trying to peg me as one who promotes big government will not function either. Where did I ever state the following: You continue to paint those that advocate lower taxes and limited government, the right of self government... (?)
What does lower taxes & limited government, which most people favour, including myself, have to do with bombastic statements quoted by self proclaimed neo-Confederates.?
I am aware the truth must hurt, but it also must be confronted.
What is your position on the following quote? "Accordingly, no Confederate can, by definition, be a Republican or Democrat, or a member of any other U.S. political party. It is NOT our government, and it's flag is NOT our flag.
Instead of passing the buck and attacking me respond to the above quote and all the others listed in thread #2,847.
"You attempt to paint an entire class of people as dirt, or even lower than dirt, based on "your racism and hatred."
How can the hardcore neo-confederates crowd be considered a 'race of people'
Please, do not not mention Carter Clinton, Al, Jesse, in the same sentence with anything connected with my beliefs.
Although even you have to admit nobody could go on and on and on, in terms of speech making like old Hubert Humphrey LOL
I would more or less agree with your depiction of "-secessionists/Confederates - as knuckle-dragging slobs/Neanderthals",..it fits. :) You are not linked with that element so laugh a little!
Lol, lololol ...Talk, talk , talk , on & on & on & on ...& on & on ....& on ........& on
Not responding to the direct treasonable quotes I posted ... What is your position on the following quote? "Accordingly, no Confederate can, by definition, be a Republican or Democrat, or a member of any other U.S. political party. It is NOT our government, and it's flag is NOT our flag. The quotes that you are so all fired up about are not mine. I personally don't care how you get your jollies, for all I know you have a turban on your head, or wear Depends.
Myself, and no one else here owe you, or anyone else any explanation for anything said by someone other than ourselves. Personally, I think you are stooping to race-baiting, just as I would be doing if I called you a "Sand Nazi". All you are doing is attempting to have posters lose their cool, to satisfy some lust deeply embedded within you. To me, you have an obvious difficultly fighting facts and carrying on a reasoned discourse, so you habitually resort to personal attacks. Let's go through a few 'causes' of the war, alleged or otherwise:
- The Union allowed slavery, each state RATIFYING the Constitution agreed that slavery was LEGAL. Therefore, all attempts to paint ONLY Confederates as seceding over slavery are moot, as they already had LEGALIZED slavery.
- Lincoln, and the Federal Congress (comprised primarily of Yankees - remember seven Confederate states and their delegations had left) offered a constitutional amdmendment making slavery PERMANENT - FOREVER - NEVER a chance of it ending. The Confederacy still refused to rejoin the union.
- Lincoln and the Black Republicans, and Free-Soilers, had made it known that in their opinion, the territories were to be reserved for WHITES only. Lincoln et al stated over and over again that they wanted no competition from blacks, they wanted no amalgamation of blacks, and desired the colonization/repatriation of blacks. There were barely a handful of blacks in the territories, which had been open for decades, so EXPANSION Of slavery was not the issue or pressing concern for Confederates.
- Yankee abolitionists were attempting to foment a race war, by inciting slaves to escape, or to rise in rebellion a la Haiti. The traitor/murderer John Brown was praised almost universally in the North (I guess Yankees praise Charles Manson as well) despite the killing of innocent Southerners. Down here, "John Brown" is an expletive. Despite the fact that the slaves in question would be slaughtering the yankee's American brethren, they saw this as preferable than life with Southerners, and would be used as an excuse to repatriate/deport blacks.
- Despite protests and calls for emancipation of blacks, most states - Northern and Southern - had instituted Black codes - to limit the rights of free blacks to migrate. The problem was that if blacks were freed, there was no northern state willing to accept them, so Yankees still wanted blacks to remain in the south or be deported.
- Calls for emancipation of blacks began en masse after the end of the legalized slave trade. Yankees sold the bulk of their slaves, or emancipated them gradually - new born slaves still had to remain slaves for decades. Yankees demanded immediate emancipation of Southern blacks, which would have devastated the Southern economy. The northern economy, OTOH, was PROTECTED by tariffs - soon to be TRIPLED by the Morrill tariffs.
- Southerners had protested against high tariffs since the founding. Admittedly, the parties agreed that protectionist tariffs would be allowed to allow American interests to mature enough to compete with European manufactures, but it wasn't meant to be a permanent Yankee welfare system. The protests over high tariffs continued for decades, and almost every protest against the tariffs came from Southerners - the ones whose pockets were touched. The protests certainly didn't come from Yankees who were making fortunes at the expense of their Southern brethren. Even today, one doesn't hear millions of welfare recipients clamor for LOWER taxes - such would deprive them of their booty. The protests and calls to reduce taxes come from those who PAY THEM.
- In his first inaugural speech, Lincoln cut to the chase - the seceded states HAD to pay the tariffs, but otherwise, no INVASION would be made. IT WAS ABOUT THE MONEY.
So in a nutshell, slavery was legal, the yankees didn't want blacks west, north or south, Lincoln et al offered PERMANENT slavery as inducement for the Confederacy to rejoin. THEY REFUSED. Maybe if Lincoln and Congress had compromised over TAXES/TARIFFS, then the confederacy might have been willing to rejoin.
Trying to peg me as one who promotes big government will not function either. Where did I ever state the following: You continue to paint those that advocate lower taxes and limited government, the right of self government... (?)
See above. Southerners were the ones advocating limited government and lower taxes - not yankees.
How can the hardcore neo-confederates crowd be considered a 'race of people'
If you actually READ what I wrote ['You attempt to paint an entire class of people as dirt'] I made no mention of Southerners as a race of people, I made reference to Southerners as a class of people.
Please, do not not mention Carter Clinton, Al, Jesse, in the same sentence with anything connected with my beliefs.
I am aware the truth must hurt, but it also must be confronted.
Now one last comment, I bear you no malice, no hatred of any kind. I am a conservative, I want the federal government out of everything it's not constitutionally delegated. That means DEFENSE of this republic, against Islamic terrorists and ILLEGAL immigrants pouring through our borders. That means ending the Department of HUD, Education, Energy etc, and federal funding of pork projects, subsidies to farmers, social security, earned income credits, the IRS, most federal programs and federal mandates to the states. The states, and private enterprise will do what is best for their citizens, allocate their own tax dollars for state projects, and private interests will flock to provide goods and services which the populace demands, and competition for such will provide more improved goods and services that are actually needed and demanded.