Confederate States Of America (2005)

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[rustbucket]

Then who is responsible for their being subjected to a bombardment, the Union or the Southern military?

You can't be asking that with a straight face. See my 4,519.

[stand watie]

dear m.eSPINola,

have you considered that you are becoming a laughingstock on FR??

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[stand watie]

your posting of NONSENSE is NOT a substitute for brains.

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[stand watie]

yet another example of your lack of THOUGHT.

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[stand watie]

and you can PROVE all this drivel you posted?????

i think not.

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[stand watie]

ditto.

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[mac_truck]

It appears to be Dahlgren's personal plan.

Concurring bump. There were no 'orders' found on Dahlgren. If they existed at all the papers were personal in nature and Dahlgren was known to keep a journal.

The other distortion the neo-reb cultists have concocted is that Dalhgren was an 'inexperienced' officer. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

[stand watie]

and your PROOF for this assertion is?????

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[GOPcapitalist]

Check out the other two reviews that I posted, both from professors of universities.

You mean Mackubin Thomas Owens, who practices the same Lincoln idolatry you do?

The negative reviews like Gutzman's come from actual PEER REVIEWED SCHOLARLY JOURNALS - not the Claremont Review of Books.

As for Gutzman's review, his gripe is that Farber was not following his own views on nullification, and therefore must not be aware of the conclusive evidence supporting it.

No ftD. Gutzman's gripe is that Farber did not even bother to consider viewpoints that differed from his own preconceived position. He did not consider different viewpoints because he was making a partisan argument, not a scholarly one.

[GOPcapitalist]

Has anyone ever denied that abuses occured?

The Harry Jaffa cult comes awfully close!

Moreover, Farber states that this is a classical liberal view, held by Jefferson.

Farber wouldn't know Jeffersonianism if it was stapled to his forehead. That's why he also uses his partisan argument in favor of Lincoln to make similar partisan attacks upon the Jeffersonian (read: conservative) elements of the Rehnquist supreme court.

[mac_truck]

In case you missed to other pro-Farber reviews, I will post them again.

It's no surprise that you haven't gotten a response from the boy cultist . He's too busy checking your post counts, calculating the impact on bandwidth and breathlessly pinging the mods with the results.

That is when he isn't comparing Jeb Bush to Pontius Pilot.

[GOPcapitalist]

He stated that Farber was 'even handed' as well.

No. He calls his _attitude_ "even-handed." He describes Farber's book as "partisan" though, and it is.

[GOPcapitalist]

A scholar tore it to bits (and frankly, I do not read the review that way).

The blind never do.

"In sum, LINCOLN'S CONSTITUTION is a partisan work, more a lawyer's brief for the Lincoln administration to be argued before a contemporary American court or group of academics than an exercise in historiography." - Kevin Gutzman

I gave you a link to two other scolars who did, both professors.

You gave me links to two unscholarly hack jobs published in unscholarly publications such as the Claremont Review of Books, which is every bit as partisan as Farber himself.

I, on the other hand, have given you a total of three reviews - all from refereed scholarly journals - that have one or more severe criticisms of flaws in Farber's book. Naturally you ignore it and pretend they don't say what they plainly do.

[GOPcapitalist]

Farber wrote a work for the public, not a scholary one for the professors.

So you admit then that Farber's book is unscholarly?

[GOPcapitalist]

Concurring bump. There were no 'orders' found on Dahlgren. If they existed at all the papers were personal in nature and Dahlgren was known to keep a journal.

...and yet another lie from the garbage_truck. The papers found on Dahlgren were written on the official stationary of the Third Division U.S. Cavalry Corps.

[sully777]

The 'South' lost again. :)

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I live in the Deep South, sir. I don't really want to gloat.

And though it seems impossible to comprehend, I once resided north of the Mason Dixon in an area that was just as rebel as Ole Miss, and were just as embroiled in the secessionist rhetoric and activity as South Carolina on a hot, humid evening. People forget that The Federalist Party fell apart after they suggested New England secede from the Union. People forget partisan battles and terror activities in states hundreds of miles north in the 1860's. People forget that states such as Maryland and Missouri remained Unionist under suspicious parliamentary activities, and states such as Ohio, Deleware, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvannia harbored rebels-many without pretense. People forget the ethnic riots in the northern cities. It was truly a civil war that could have proved disastrous for all, including ultimately the world.

What I am saying is that the USA survived and the world is blessed by a union rather than a division. But there are those fools on both sides of the Mason Dixon that never learn the lessons of that horrific war. It has been almost 150 years since those bloody days and its time we learn from the lesson rather than rip open the scar.

The premise of the thread was asinine from the start. We are Americans by God, let's start acting like Americans. You can't go backward you can only go forward. I don't play what ifs, I'm Irish.

[GOPcapitalist]

He's too busy checking your post counts, calculating the impact on bandwidth and breathlessly pinging the mods with the results. That is when he isn't comparing Jeb Bush to Pontius Pilot.

Funny he'd say this, considering that it'd take him the very same thing and more that he's alleging to derive the results he's purporting!

Remember what I said yesterday about the Wlat Brigade sharing its various bad habits among the members like venereal diseases? Among them seems to be the very same style of cyberstalking that got Cap'n Crunch admonished by the mods and exiled, which he now denies.

[GOPcapitalist]

Of course being the only poster around here to have gotten himself slapped down for abuses and gone into exile for a month he would know.

[lentulusgracchus]

That is when he isn't comparing Jeb Bush to Pontius Pilot.

Don't you mean "Pontius Pilate", late Roman procurator of Judaea? As in, "Lucius Pontius Pilatus"?

At least try to stay up with the adults. You could begin by paying attention to them.

Assuming anyone cares at this point.

[GOPcapitalist]

Don't you mean "Pontius Pilate", late Roman procurator of Judaea? As in, "Lucius Pontius Pilatus"?

Not surprising. He has the same difficulty with his assumed namesake Mack Trucks...barring the likely possibility that Mac Trucks is a third world or ex-Soviet offshoot brand specializing in garbage disposal units. In fact, that could explain why he considers the communist party a "legitimate" political institution!