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Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob
What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?
While scanning through some of the up and coming movies in 2005, I ran across this intriguing title; "CSA: Confederate States of America (2005)". It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war.
Stars with bars:
Suffice to say anything from Hollywood on this topic is sure to to bring about all sorts of controversial ideas and discussions. I was surprised that they are approaching such subject matter, and I'm more than a little interested.
Some things are better left dead in the past:
For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Like him, I should have like to believe that the South would have been compelled to end slavery out of Christian dignity rather than continue to enslave their brothers of the freedom that belong equally to all men. Obviously it didn't happen that way.
Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then? I don't know. I honestly don't know. My pride for my South and my heritage would have most likely doomed me as it did so many others. I won't skirt the issue, in all likelyhood, slavery may have been an afterthought. Had they been the staple of what I considered property, I possibly would have already been past the point of moral struggle on the point and preparing to kill Northern invaders.
Compelling story or KKK wet dream?:
So what do I feel about this? The photo above nearly brings me to tears, as I highly respect Abraham Lincoln. I don't care if they kick me out of the South. Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California. That's how I imagine Lincoln. A great man. I wonder sometimes what my family would have been like today. How many more of us would there be? Would we have held onto the property and prosperity that sustained them before the war? Would I have double the amount of family in the area? How many would I have had to cook for last week for Christmas? Would I have needed to make more "Pate De Fois Gras"?
Well, dunno about that either. Depending on what the previous for this movie are like, I may or may not see it. If they portray it as the United Confederacy of the KKK I won't be attending.
This generation of our clan speaks some 5 languages in addition to English, those being of recent immigrants to this nation. All of them are good Americans. I believe the south would have succombed to the same forces that affected the North. Immigration, war, economics and other huma forces that have changed the map of the world since history began.
Whatever. At least in this alternate universe, it's safe for me to believe that we would have grown to be the benevolent and humane South that I know it is in my heart. I can believe that slavery would have died shortly before or after that lost victory. I can believe that Southern gentlemen would have served the world as the model for behavior. In my alternate universe, it's ok that Spock has a beard. It's my alternate universe after all, it can be what I want.
At any rate, I lived up North for many years. Wonderful people and difficult people. I will always sing their praises as a land full of beautiful Italian girls, maple syrup and Birch beer. My uncle ribbed us once before we left on how we were going up North to live "with all the Yankees". Afterwards I always refered to him as royalty. He is, really. He's "King of the Rednecks". I suppose I'm his court jester.
So what do you think of this movie?
lincoln was the CIC of union forces (he was just as much a legitimate target as Saddsam Hussain was/IS.) & Booth was an enlisted, serving member of the VA state militia.
free dixie,sw
secession is NOT prohibited by the Constitution! it is one of the STATE powers, which was NOT ceded to the central government.
free diixe,sw
free dixie,sw
I recall that you did, but would you be nice enough to repeat it for those of us who don't have photographic memories or the time to paw through your numerous posts? You are, after all, the most forceful of the proponents here of these Union "murder and torture" theories. Posting the documentation, or pointing to the source material, would greatly help expedite the discussion.
free dixie,sw
they are TURNCOATS.
free diixe,sw
free dixie,sw
i thought you might find it INTERESTING from a historical point if nothing else.
free dixie,sw
Thanks. I've got to break away for the rest of the day and stop this lolligagging. Adios.
"The new [Confederate] constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the 'negro' in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."
Ahhh,'revolution' how interesting.!
Stephens further noted, to resounding applause, that his values were in direct contradiction to those of the Declaration of Independence.
"Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated [race slavery] as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right....Our new government is founded upon ... the great truth, that the 'negro' is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition."
Remember the neo-Confederate's fish story, 'Slavery had nothing to do with he beginning of the Civil War'
After the Civil War Federal officials arrested Stephens and imprisoned him at Fort Warren in Boston Harbor until October 1865. The crumb should done a 20 year stretch.
It is important to recognize that Stephens' Cornerstone Speech was unanimously applauded throughout the South. He was elected as VP precisely because he was recognized as a moderate and conservative man.
IOW, the position taken in the Cornerstone Speech was not viewed in the South as that of a wild-eyed radical, but as being smack-dab in the middle of southern public opinion.
'There you go again!'
"Lincoln was the CIC of Union forces (he was just as much a legitimate target as Saddsam Hussain was/IS.)"
So, like all the innocent victims of Quantrill at Lawrence, Lincoln "had it coming", huh?
In four words, "Nat Turner John Brown".
About 180,000 people died in the Haitian slave revolt.
In 1838 there were probably about 6,000,000 people in the South, half of them slaves.
Still chanting "four legs good, two legs bad!"?
Or is the Goldberg movie running already?
I bellyfeel Capitan_Refugio wordwise. I bellyfeel plusgood duckspeakers.
Perfect spokesman for the Neo-Confederates.
But according to the Neo's he didn't know either, not when he touched on the issue of slavery and the Declaration.
It is difficult to see how the "master race" philosophy expressed in this speech could, if carried to its logical conclusion, result in the long run in anything but Nazi-like behavior. NOT trying to compare the Confederacy to the Reich, merely pointing out the essential compatibility of their ideologies, which differed essentially only in who is classified as subhuman.
It is also inherently probable that the "elite" of a victorious South would have carried their belief system another logical step farther and begin developing a rationale for different "levels" of whiteness.
All whites are equal, but some are more equal than others.
The political leadership of the North bears just as much, if not more, responsibility for the war. The war might not have happened if they had:
- Obeyed the Constitution with respect to the return of fugitive slaves
- Not transferred so much wealth from the South to the North via the tariff
- Obeyed the treaty by which we obtained the Louisiana Territory
- Respected the decisions of the Supreme Court rather than "laws higher than the Constitution"
- Not glorified insurrectionists like John Brown
- Not made an end run around Congress to take actions that would obviously provoke war
- Not ignored attempts at peaceful negotiation of the crisis
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