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To: rogerv
Liberal and conservative are just labels that are at times confusing. I consider myself a conservative but I and often called a liberal by many posters and in fairness I do the same.

I look at government as a collective effort to battle evil and advance good.

So, in my mind the government that is most effective in furthering that cause of good is the best government. That of course immediately leads one to ask what is the definition of good vrs evil?

Conservatives believe that man is mostly good, note all the references to creator endowing, etc, early in our history. This leads conservatives to believe that if men and women are left on their own, with little interference from government or criminals or whatever will mostly do good things and society will mostly progress in a good way. Liberals believe that man is mostly evil and that government must intervene to protect society and less fortunate from the evil that men would do given the chance.

So who is right? Let the debate begin!

320 posted on 12/10/2004 10:52:11 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb; rogerv
RogerV -- check out this comment by jpsb -- it's exactly the opposite of what I said in post 315.

Conservatives believe that man is mostly good, note all the references to creator endowing, etc, early in our history. This leads conservatives to believe that if men and women are left on their own, with little interference from government or criminals or whatever will mostly do good things and society will mostly progress in a good way. Liberals believe that man is mostly evil and that government must intervene to protect society and less fortunate from the evil that men would do given the chance.

LOL!

338 posted on 12/10/2004 10:59:32 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: jpsb
What Marxist text book did you plagiarize that sentence from?
369 posted on 12/10/2004 11:09:09 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: jpsb
"I look at government as a collective effort to battle evil and advance good."

Then you have been bamboozled, my FRiend...the Federal Leviathan has become a self-serving entity, more concerned with self-preservation growing its own power than serving the common good.

FReegards...MUD

385 posted on 12/10/2004 11:15:09 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: jpsb
I look at government as a collective effort to battle evil and advance good.

If that's a common view among leftists, then I wonder why so many of them were so vehemently opposed to the removal of the evil Saddam Hussein and his henchmen from power.

405 posted on 12/10/2004 11:20:12 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: jpsb
I look at government as a collective effort to battle evil and advance good.

What in the name of sweet Jesus are you doing on a conservative thread?

Conservatives believe that man is mostly good,

180 degrees wrong!

If you're being sarcastic, you should indicate same. Else, what the hell are you doing here?

550 posted on 12/10/2004 12:39:09 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: jpsb
This leads conservatives to believe that if men and women are left on their own, with little interference from government or criminals or whatever will mostly do good things and society will mostly progress in a good way.

You are entirely wrong.

Man is inherently bad, but it is his relationship to God that keeps him in check. "A moral people do not need a government", Laws are not for the law abiding, or the moral people. Laws are for those that are derelict.

Conservatives believe in People governing themselves and conserve the use of government to those that can not.

"Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe." --James Madison

"We have this day restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come." -- Samuel Adams

"Liberty exists in proportion to wholesome restraint." --Daniel Webster

"Your love of liberty -- your respect for the laws -- your habits of industry -- and your practice of the moral and religious obligations, are the strongest claims to national and individual happiness." --George Washington

"Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts ... in which all religions agree." --Thomas Jefferson

"It would be peculiarly improper to omit, in this first official act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe." Washington continued: "No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the Invisible Hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency." --George Washington

557 posted on 12/10/2004 12:44:54 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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