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To: orionblamblam
Perhaps you wish to deny the basical sperical nature of Mars, too?

Again, I have no quarrel with natural selection. But, can you show me a mutation that established a species? How about ones that established a genus, a family, an order, a class, and a phylum?

I'm always dismayed to see that there are self-professed Conservatives who will believe such utter rubbish.

"Utter rubbish." How sad. Look all around you at the order in nature, and tell us all how there is no Designer. Since you're so wise, go ahead and thrust your middle finger in the air at Him.

Romans 1
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Don't be the fool. Acknowledge your Creator. Your time is very short.

229 posted on 11/29/2004 8:59:48 AM PST by newgeezer (for further reading on this subject, see Romans 1)
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To: newgeezer

> But, can you show me a mutation that established a species?

Can you tell me who told you the lie that a single mutation leads to an entirely new species?

> Look all around you at the order in nature, and tell us all how there is no Designer. Since you're so wise, go ahead and thrust your middle finger in the air at Him.

Ah, the religious mindset. Can you explain why a person would thrust his middle finger at a Designer that he doesn't believe is there? Do you daily moon Zeus? Do you send nasty emails to Shiva?

I never cease to be amazed (and often amused) at the sheer illogic of the zealot.

> For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Uh--- yeah. Too bad it's clearly bunk, as most people are not, never were and never will be Christians. Most everybody looks atthe world and see something quite different than what you claim to see.

> Acknowledge your Creator.

Hey, I call my Mom and Dad fairly regularly.


251 posted on 11/29/2004 9:13:30 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: newgeezer
Don't be the fool. Acknowledge your Creator. Your time is very short.

I don't believe in space aliens.

252 posted on 11/29/2004 9:13:48 AM PST by narby
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To: newgeezer
And the theory holds true thus far which states that almost every argument against evolution which comes from creationists or IDers stems from a misunderstanding of what the theory of Evolution states.

"can you show me a mutation that established a species?"

That would be a dead species, as species are generally distinguished as being unable to interbreed with other species. A single gene mutation that makes an individual organism unable to breed with anything else pretty much dooms that individual to be the last of its line. On the other hand, the theory of Evolution says that over time, with enough small changes via genetic variation, gene mutations, and natural selection, species will diverge (or converge in some instances) to occupy available niches.

"Look all around you at the order in nature, and tell us all how there is no Designer."

The existence of God is a question beyond the realms of good science. Ergo, the question of why evolution takes place and who caused the mechanisms controlling it to come into being also remain forever outside the realms of good science. In other words, I would have a dispute with anyone who says that it's impossible that God created the mechanisms behind evolution just as fast as I'd have a dispute with someone who said that the mechanisms behind evolution don't exist.

The theory of Evolution is, by no means, perfect, but it does give us the best picture yet of how we got from point A (early, lifeless Earth) to point B (now). There could very well come along a better theory in the future, and I'd be happy to entertain anything within reason. It's truly fascinating to me that some would actually deny the possibility that God 'created' evolution. It's almost as if some honestly believe it's beyond God's power to do so, yet they go on to talk about how God's power is infinite. What a bizarre contradiction. :-)
284 posted on 11/29/2004 9:32:20 AM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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