Posted on 10/07/2004 11:49:33 AM PDT by robowombat
OK, I can put you in the not-to-be-taken-seriously file.
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OK. So you are one of those guys that likes to roughshod lump things together........
That's how it semed to me. Put it all in a blender, tra la! Who cares as long as it sounds clever.
Rename yourself digger 'cause your hole is getting deeper.
Mumbling to yerself again, champ?
Yes. That's one of costs of doing business on Free Republic. You have suffer people that just like to argue, sound clever and view this as a chat site rather than serious discussion of issues.
Some people bring their baggage that all religions are equally bad etc and unable to discern differences that matter. Not much different from liberals that collect trivial facts to support their case, get lost in trees and minutae and simply unable to see the forest.
Agreed. As for "roughshod lump things together", it's such great phraseology. I would have skipped commenting except for that. I call it blenderism. The idea that if you take your dinner and put it all in a blender, it tastes better than if you eat it normally. IOW powers of discrimination and discernment are a negative.
Some people bring their baggage that all religions are equally bad etc and unable to discern differences that matter........
That whole multi culti thing. Female genital mutilation is a valid cultural expression.
You need to get your history straight. Hitler killed 6 million Jews, that is documented history. Lenin and Stalin together killed more Jews than anyone. They weren't Christian.
The figure 26 million was a mistake on my part. Its actually closer to 126 million, but no one knows for sure. The canal from Moscow to St Petersburg is built on the bones of Jews and other religious/ethnic groups the Communists suppressed.
Now, as to your weak explanantion of Lucifer/Satan...
(KJV) "How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!"
(Interlinear) "O shining star, son of morning,
how you have fallen from the heavens...
For you said in your heart,
I will go up to the heavens;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
and I will sit in the mount of meeting
in the sides of the north...
I will be compared to the most high."
I did not say Christ ans Satan were the same. You need to work on YOUR reading comprehension, Pally.
This often misinterpreted passage has lead some to conclude that Lucifer is a different entity than Satan. At the very least, the King James mistranslation compounds confusion because of the association of Venus / Lucifer / "Morning Star". The original Hebrew makes clear that the word " Lucifer " is not an accurate translation. "Light Bringer" clearly is not what was intended in this passage. Unfortunately, the Hendricksen Interlinear Hebrew Bible translates the phrase misleadingly as well, using "O shining star" instead of "Lucifer". The actual Hebrew word hay-lale does not mean "star" but "bright or clear sounding" [as in singing Hallelujah] although it also denotes "brightly colored or shining", and appropriately, "boastfulness and pride". If the intended meaning was "star", the Hebrew word for star , kochob "a round rolling object", would have been used.
The phrase, "son of morning" should read "son of the dawning", as in "the earliest" or "the first" -- God created the angels at the dawn of all of His creation. A more accurate English translation from the Hebrew should read, "O clear sounding, boasting son from the beginning", describing this rebel angel who was cast by God from the heavens. Satan is not the only "morning star" mentioned in the Old Testament.
"but thankfully, an increasingly number of modern biblical translations are getting it right, and removing Lucifer entirely from Isaiah."
Which plays right into Lucifer's plan. Lets not admit the devil is real, that would make things way to simple.
Confusion and chaos...Tools of Satan/Lucifer/Ba'al/Beelzebub
God commanded that no one alter His word. You re-write the Bible, and muddy the waters and invite His wrath.
And this ends this discussion; for you, Sir, are hopeless.
Here's something I've seen posted on FR a couple of times and saved a copy of, you might get a kick out of it...
Many years ago, in the Khwarism kingdom, the empire centered around the cities of Samarkand, Bukhara, and Gurgange in the territory now called Uzbekistan, there was a bridge across a narrow section of the Syr Daria river and this bridge was guarded by a troll, named Ali Mohammed Qa-eelbasi. This was before the padishah Mohammed of the Khwarism empire burned the beards off of four of the infidel dog Chengis Khan's ambassadors and Chengis Khan reduced that entire territory to a smoking ruin (may he who cannot take a joke endure Allah's curse).
Now, this Ali Mohammed Qa-eelbasi was quite wealthy by inheritance and by dint of clever investment strategies and stock trading and, having no need of money or wealth beyond his possessions, and being an islamic troll, rather than demanding money from travellers seeking to cross his bridge, was in the habit of demanding various other favors from them.
One morning while Ali Mohammed was guarding his bridge and attempting to catch fish in the Syr Daria, he heard the light clatter of little hooves on the wooden planks of his bridge and looked up to see a little billygoat traipsing across the bridge, trippity, clippity, clippity, trippity, and this little goat (Allah be praised!!) had glossy white fur and flowers in his mane, and was wearing a silk petticoat with what appeared to be lace panties underneath, Ali Mohammed could not be quite certain, and a little training bra from Bloomingdales', and had a coy smile upon his face.
"ALLAH BE PRAISED"!! shouted Ali Mohammed! Surely the faithful shall prosper, this must be my lucky day!!!!
And, the little goat looked at Ali Mohammed, the coy smile still on his lips, and said:
"Verily, I should be happy for you to have your way with me and ravish me to your heart's content but, were you to do that, you would then be too exhausted to appreciate my brother when he passes this way. He is only a short distance behind me and he is a larger, finer and more lovely goat than I; he buys ALL of his clothing from Victoria's Secret."
Now, when Ali Mohammed heard this, he was overcome with passion and desire, and could scarcely restrain himself; nonetheless, he replied: "Go then, with Allah's blessing", and allowed the little goat to cross the bridge unmolested. "I shall (eagerly) await your brother!"
Ali Mohammed went back to his efforts to catch fish and, about a half hour later, he heard a somewhat heavier fall of hooves across the wooden planks of his bridge: clippity cloppity clop, clippity cloppity clop, and Ali Mohammed looked up to a sight which aroused within him a veritable paroxism of passion. This was a larger goat with a gossamer veil over his face, red roses braided into his glossy white silky fur all around, a golden necklace and the thinnest sort of a purple gossamer bodice of finest khitan silk, and dark, brown bedroom eyes.
"ALLAH BE PRAISED!!!" shouted Ali Mohammed, "Verily, this must be the luckiest day of my life, for surely no troll has ever beheld so lovely, and desirable, and alluring a goat as thee!"
"Patience!" replied the goat. "Surely you might have me if you wish, but then you would be too exhausted to appreciate my eldest brother, who travels only a short distance behind me. He is the sexiest and most voluptuous and alluring goat in all the world, and he buys ALL of his clothing at Sexy Sadies Midnight Boutique. Verily, were he standing here beside me, you would not notice me at all!"
Ali Mohammed somehow or other managed to restrain his lust and passion and allowed this goat to pass as well and, after ten or twelve minutes when he collected his wits and got his pulse and breath back under control, returned to his fishing poles.
Now when the eldest brother amongst the three goats came up to the bridge over the Syr Daria river and walked upon its wooden planks, Ali Mohammed did not notice at first, because this goat's hooves, for some reason, made no noise. Ali Mohammed was in fact taken by complete surprise as this third goat walked up to within five feet before the troll ever saw him at all. This goat had a silken veil as did the second goat, and gossamer clothing but, underneath the gossamer, appeared to be a very strange goat indeed, yellowish with black stripes, a long tail, fearsome claws, and huge, very non-goatlike teeth. This third goat spoke these words:
Bless, O Lord, this food to my use and me to thy service, and make me ever mindful of the needs of others through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.and, with that, seized the unlucky troll in his massive jaws, chewed him into bitesized pieces, and wolfed him down.
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