[GOPcapitalist]

No trial is required. You are not operating under civil law - but rather, the laws of war.

I think LG's just pinged the heart of your position and this only affirms it. You simply cannot justify or fully defend Lincoln under the guise of the Constitution, so rather than concede a fault you take to defending the indefensible and celebrating those who THROW OFF the Constitution in favor of pure military despotism. Stalin would be proud of you.

[lentulusgracchus]

Stalin would be proud of you.

So would Count Vigo.

Yeah, that's right, capitan, I'm talking about you over here. Wanna courtesy ping? Earn it.

[lentulusgracchus]

[GOPcapitalist] You simply cannot justify or fully defend Lincoln under the guise of the Constitution, so rather than concede a fault you take to defending the indefensible and celebrating those who THROW OFF the Constitution in favor of pure military despotism.

Your and Gianni's points can't be made often enough.

Lincoln's theory of the war was that he was acting as a constitutional officer of the Union in defense of same, and that everything he did was justified by his constitutional powers to suppress insurrection (pace for the moment the argument that secession wasn't insurrection).

And yet, as your quote of Stromberg shows, Lincoln then turned to one of the most dangerous creatures on earth, a German totalitarian romantic, to write a "pseudo-Hegelian waffle" justifying, as James Seddon dourly noticed, Union "warring-down" tactics after the fact.

What resulted resembles nothing in American political theory, and just reading it as posted (thanks to nolu chan, who keeps bringing these things concretely to our attention and forbidding our interlocutor to keep up his favored tactic of referring to them in the comfy-gauzy Lincolnian abstract) one has to wonder whether Washington and Jefferson wouldn't spin in their graves to hear such a document read out.

Bet it wouldn't bother Hamilton much, though. He was a broken-eggs kind of guy, just like Lincoln.

Finally, that was an excellent shot you excerpted at totalitoady James McPherson, performing his Squealer portrayal in panegyricising Lincoln's compassion.

[stand watie]

see 1434.

[capitan_refugio]

Lincoln did not throw off the Constitution! The South did that by rebelling against the lawful government of the Union. The constitution continued to function just fine in the loyal states.

As to those areas that had purported to secede, and were in armed insurrection against the Union and the Constitution, you would have us believe they still benefitted from some protections it provided?

Your arguments are nonsense. The only law that governed the the Union armies in the South during the war was the Law of War.