Posted on 10/20/2003 4:53:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Edited on 10/20/2003 8:39:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I happen to believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton were the worst presidents in our nation's history. Corruption, government abuse, treason and daily scandal were the norm under their rule. Bill is a useful idiot who can't keep his mouth shut or his zipper up and Hillary is an America hating godless communist power monger. These are my personal opinions.
Bill and Hillary Clinton and their minions still wield a tremendous amount of power and influence over the Democrat Party, the socialist movement and the national press. Their goals are to completely eliminate our rights to free speech, free religion, freedom to keep and bear arms, etc., and these are just for starters.
I believe the overall goal of their movement is to completely do away with the U.S. Constitution and in its place, install socialist/totalitarian rule over America. Furthermore, I believe they wish to do away with our national sovereignty altogether and subject America to domination by the U.N. and other world bodies.
Now you may call me a nutcase if you wish, but that's the way I see it. I believe that in the last century, FDR, LBJ, RMN, Carter, Clinton, et al, successfully introduced many socialist programs into our government and our way of life and with the help of the media and atheist institutions like the ACLU began systematically destroying the fabric of our society. In the process, they've moved both of our major political parties way over to the left. They (the liberals/marxists/socialists) have almost completely taken over all of our government institutions and agencies, the judiciary, the press, the Universities, our education systems, our charities, even our churches.
I believe that as long as Bill and Hillary Clinton and their like minded socialist minions have any influence or power over the government or either of the two major political parties, our nation and all of our freedoms are in extreme danger.
Free Republic was created in 1996 as a place where liberty-minded individuals could gather and share the news and discuss the Clinton scandals and other government abuses. I had hoped that the truth of the Clinton corruption would come out in time to prevent his re-election in 1996. Didn't happen. So we moved on. If we couldn't block his re-election, well, perhaps we could help with his impeachment. He was impeached, but we could not remove him.
So next, we decide to do all in our power to ensure that his second in command does not get to the Whitehouse. Even though GWB was not my first choice, once he won the Republican nomination, most of us rallied behind him and fought like the dickens to get him elected. Then we fought again to block the attempted Gore coup d'etat. Our Free Republic chapters mobilized all across the nation and there were thousands of rallies and protests in hundreds of cities objecting loudly to Gore's attempted takeover.
Then we all thanked God when Bush was finally declared the winner and off to Washington we went to celebrate at the Free Republic George W. Bush Inaugural Ball (I).
Then we all thank God again when after the cowardly attack on our nation by a gang of murderous international terrorists we realize how close we were to complete collapse and national destruction had the socialist U.N. loving Al Gore been in charge. Thank God for President Bush!
And I haven't even mentioned how evil I truly believe the official Democrat Party platform is. Here's a partial laundry list of what the Democrat Party supports and promotes: abortion; homosexuality; feminaziism; environmentalism; government control over every aspect of our lives and society; socialized health care; disarmament of the American people; subjugation of the U.S. to the U.N.; the complete elimination of our national sovereignty; complete destruction of our basic traditional family unit; loss of personal freedoms and individual liberty. In other words, complete destruction of our Constitution and Bill of Rights and our American way of life.
I came to the conclusion several years ago that there is no way this republic can survive if we allow the Democrat Party to maintain control over our government and other institutions. If America is to survive as we know it, Bill and Hillary Clinton and all the current democrat/socialist power mongers who share their philosophy and visions for a socialist America and socialist world must be soundly rejected and defeated at the polls.
And not just at the presidential level. They must be rejected and removed from both houses of Congress and from our State houses and local legislatures. For example, if we cannot remove them from the Senate, then there is no hope for reestablishing a judiciary built on the original intent of the Constitution and the rule-of-law. The liberals and socialists must be rooted out of our congress and our judiciary. Our free republic, our freedom and even liberty itself depends on it.
Just my humble opinion and why I act the way I do. I see the Democrat Party as domestic enemy number one of the Constitution and therefor it is my sworn enemy. And, in my eyes, anyone who helps to elect members of the Democrat party are aiding and abetting the enemy.
Futhermore, I believe wholeheartedly in the original intent of our Founding Fathers and in the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
God gave us these unalienable rights and they can never be taken from us by man or government. And we are ALL to be treated justly and equally under the law.
"That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
Yes, the Founders established a government and set forth the plan for us to govern ourselves.
"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
The government has become destructive to these ends. One of the main purposes of our government is to defend, preserve and protect our liberty. It has been doing just the opposite. Therefore, it is our right and duty to alter or abolish it. I propose doing so by destroying enemy number one of the Constitution, the corrupt socialist Democrat Party.
If republicans travel toward socialism at 35MPH and democrats travel at 55MPH, what exactly are you advocating with your screen name of GO65, the Green Party?
I'm not advocating any party - I'm advocating conserative principles. I'd take John Breaux over Olympia Snowe, just as I'd take Tom DeLay over Barney Frank.
Thanks for the Federalist references. I should have worded my statement: "You will not find a single reference to our country being founded as a 'democracy' in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, ..."
I'm glad you said that, because...
Therefore, each of us as individuals has it in our power, whatever the context, to voluntarily avoid potential excesses of mobs and majorities by not conducting ourselves in that manner...
I personally don't see the "potential excesses of mobs and majorities" happening at FR. And if Jim doesn't see it, and since each is the arbiter of his own personal conduct, like you just said, then it is a moot point.
Ummm, actually, now that you mention it...
wimpycat wrote:
I hardly think comparing FR to the U.S. government would be an accurate analogy. FR is a benevolent dictatorship.
The leadership is unelected, the leadership owns all the property.
In exchange, we get to do pretty much what we want, and if the decisions made are somewhat arbitrary, well, then those are the breaks.
It's not like Cuba, where we can't leave if we want...we're even allowed to go back and forth between FR and certain "unfriendly" countries, with no repercussions. And some of us take full advantage of it. Not me, though.
...is there a conflict if members of a group whose purpose is republicanism don't cultivate republican behavior personally?"
No. There isn't. For one thing, who decides if someone else's personal behavior is "republican"? Is there a "Board of Arbiters of Republican Behavior" somewhere?
And what sort of personal behavior are you considering?
Is there a "republican" way to act in a restaurant, in a car, at family reunions, at work, etc? Or are you merely trying to go around your elbow to get to your thumb and say that Jim Robinson should conduct his website like a republican form of government?
What point ARE you trying to make? Show your cards instead of pussyfooting around
Sabertooth wrote:
The point is personal conduct, and each is the abiter of their own.
No board of review necessary, no compulsion. Wouldn't really be republican, then, would it?
At it's most basic level, this country is a democratic republic to give each a voice, while avoiding the potential for a tyranny of a majority. Simple democracy lends itself to mob rule when swept up with the passions of the moment.
Therefore, each of us as individuals has it in our power, whatever the context, to voluntarily avoid potential excesses of mobs and majorities by not conducting ourselves in that manner, and calling others on it when they do so. That seems like appropriately republican behavior to me.
How about you?
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Well said Saber..
Excellent exchange between you & wimpy that is typical of the dichotomy on FR, a site that loudly proclaims itself for liberty, but then asserts that a website can't be moderated under republican principles of personal conduct.
How will we know unless we give it a try?
Potentially beyond repair.. yes.
That you are being oppressed by the tyrrannical minority?
Not a tyrannical minority
A tyranical majority.
Who think it is their business to tell me what firearms I may own...
Or that I may not own them at all..
Or how many gallons my toilet must flush.
Or what I may eat and drink.
Or that I may not buy antibiotics without their permission.
Or who I must associate with, whether I choose to or not.
They rob me to pay for the education of people I've never heard of.
And to pay for "arts and humanities"
And to pay for pork projects in Podunk.
And to pay for fat lazy people to recieve a government check.
And to promote ideas I oppose.
And to buy substitute drugs for drug addicts.
And to provide housing for the irresponsible.
And to give people credit cards to buy free food.
And to operate "public" television and radio.
And to snoop on my internet communications.
And to confiscate toenail clippers at airports.
Your precious democracy votes to steal what is mine, and to give it to others who have not earned. It votes to subjugate and control my dominion over my own otherwise peaceful life. It is evil that is done by your precious majority. And all the while, "democracy" is bandied about as if it represents some precious and unassailable good, in and of itself.
Are people that agree with, good, and people who disagree, evil?
People that steal from me are evil (even if they do so under cover of democracy).
People that violate my rights are evil (even if they do so under cover of democracy).
Am I evil?
You tell me.
Yes.
Yes.
We ARE beyond dispute a representative democracy.
But there are things a simple majority cannot do in our system- a supermajority can, of course, do anything.
A simple majority cannot retain (or "grant" to use the disgusting common phrasing) new rights to the people, nor can a simple majority grant new powers to the government.
Both have to be done by a supermajority through amendment of the Constitution.
This requirement for a supermajority is neccessary for the Constitution to survive
.... and that is why we emphasize here the 'republican" nature of our government.
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