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Listen, DEVIL....

I don't care if you have LURKED on this thread for 2-3 years, you sure got your voice right out of the shoot!!

You came on here, and in your first post, you slammed every person who has contributed to this thread who does not agree with your thoughts. I don't care if you disagree with them, none of them has started a slam on anyone, but have ANSWERED the slams when put to them.

You, on the other hand gave an analysis of each poster like a shrink on a couch. HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE apparently is not on your Library shelf!!

Let's take a look and review your handiwork, shall we?

In my world, one does not come on any message board with this type of slamming arrogence and evaluate the poster's, poster's that are sharing information in print, and reviewing it.

In a court trial, evidence, and timelines are reviewed whether you agree with it or not. You lost credibility on your first day in my book, and to take Iwo Jima's comments some weeks back to another thorn...You don't deserve a reply from ANYONE.

I am sick of the tenor of this entire thread. Let me ask you this.....

Picture yourself in your home, WE ARE COMING OVER FOR A GATHERING WITH YOU...and walk into your home....Is this the way we are treated as soon as we walk in? You analize every guest? How long do you think they would stay before walking back out the door? You, sir devil, are just that which your name depicts. If you think you are a voice to be heard, you lost it with me for.....

YOU ARE A LITTLE, LITTLE MAN.

And I for one will read you as .....INVISIBLE.

Geez. It took you long enough.

Every day, I would come to this forum and eagerly read the posts b/c I am interested in the Smart case. I found many good news articles, maps, etc., on here. But I didn't just read those things. I read the comments, too. I often read political articles and political forums. I'm sure you know that when people are talking about presidents, or some of the lifestyle topics which have been made into political issues, it can get very nasty. I would sometimes post on a couple of forums which were affiliated with regional newspapers. In particular, I found that the northwest seems to have a lot of people who, shall we say, don't agree with me politically.

Sometimes you get sick of all the fighting. I was also interested in crime, what is called "true crime," so I was pleased when I saw there were forums full of amateur sleuths, too--even on freerepublic, since this case is after all newsworthy. I've visited about 6 forums on which crime news is discussed, and this is the only one I've seen on which the posters argue about petty stuff which is not relevant to the crime. Theorizing about crime is usually a refreshing break from arguing about politics.

Surely everyone here hates crime? Seems to me that's a good starting point for theorizing instead of arguing all the time.

I could see why people would want to know about Utah, and would want to consider the old polygamy thing, but when people just continually, over and over and over, went on and on about it, I wondered why. I began to think those people really weren't interested in polygamy and its injustice, but simply disliked organized religion. It occurred to me that most people I've known who sneered at organized religions, especially Christian ones, had been political liberals. I don't care for political liberals.

Go back and read your posts from the past. Read those of some of your friends, too. There are some very petty insults, and some people, for long periods, would do nothing but post polygamy horror stories of dubious relevance and credibility, without even attempting to tie them into the discussion. And.... the Mountain Meadows massacre? Wasn't that in 1847? Come ON! Sitting there, unable to post b/c I hadn't taken the trouble to sign up, I would be mad at some of the really vicious one-liners. They weren't even clever. (Although yesterday varina davis did do one clever one, when she and Jolly Green argued about Mormon wives, and she said, how many have you had?) I don't agree with rudely calling today's Mormons Evil Polygamists, but I have to admit at least it was reasonably clever, and he is more than capable of defending himself.

I said I wasn't going to make friends with that first post. I knew it couldn't go on this thread, I knew it might as well go directly to the Smoky Backroom. So that's where I put it. I picked a poster who I felt could easily deal with it, Jolly Green, and posted to him on this thread that I'd vented about this board in the Smoky Backroom. I expected some of the curious to go there and knew many of them would be irritated when they saw it. My remarks were the result of about 3 months of holding in my outrage at some of the cheap shots I'd read here day after day. It's called "venting," and I'm glad I finally took the trouble to do it.

And there you go with that "LITTLE MAN" stuff. What is THAT supposed to accomplish? Besides, if you'd read all the past posts, you'd know that all the males on this board are large---over 6', etc. Seems to me that jo6pac ruminated about that one time.

I don't care if you disagree with them, none of them has started a slam on anyone, but have ANSWERED the slams when put to them.

That's an absolute crock! The posters referred to all had a common theme - wild-eyed, far-fetched theories which smeared the Church or the Smarts and had no basis in fact. Each of those posters was asked nicely to provide evidence supporting those claims by me and others. Each was asked specific questions to get them to support their claims. None did. None of those posters want to deal with reality and many have bigoted views against the Mormons and the Smarts.

Just the facts!