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Van Dam Case Witness Challenges Findings Of Defense 'Bug Expert': But...His Testimony Don't Add Up..
Union Tribune ^ | July 31, 2002 | Jeff Dillion

Posted on 07/30/2002 3:58:51 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: HoneyBoo
But then, over the course of one weekend everything seemed to change

Was it the same weekend after the defense rested ?

361 posted on 07/31/2002 2:58:49 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: small_l_libertarian
A cross section view of the fibers would be most helpful. Why isn't there one?
362 posted on 07/31/2002 2:59:22 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: VRWC_minion
I believe the jacket has been excluded, but don't know where I'd find that. It is something I seem to recall being addressed, though, fwiw.
363 posted on 07/31/2002 3:04:17 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: VRWC_minion
That explains orange fibers in DW's house. So what doers the prosecution have; One orange fiber on Danielle that may or may not be 'similar'?
364 posted on 07/31/2002 3:04:56 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
That explains orange fibers in DW's house

Only is they were matched by the fiber people. Until then its speculation.

365 posted on 07/31/2002 3:10:12 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
DEAD TIME>
366 posted on 07/31/2002 3:16:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: VRWC_minion
IS what your saying is that if the "hair/fiber" ball was formed early than her abduction then its less likely she was killed on the 12th ?

My posting is to show that the fiber came to be in her hair on the necklace at the time she was killed.

Several posters have said she could have picked up the orange fiber during the cookie selling visit a few days prior.

Jennifer Shen, the witness, stated on direct exam (I posted it much earlier on this thread) that the fiber came to be there at time of death/placement at Dehesa.

The excerpt you are referring to is Feldman's cross-exam where she affirms this and he seems to accept it and works in his later date theory by getting her to agree that *if Danielle wasn't moving around* the fiber could come to be there earlier.

Does that make it clear?

367 posted on 07/31/2002 3:19:23 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: UCANSEE2
Get the fly repelent.
368 posted on 07/31/2002 3:19:55 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Bluebird Singing
I'm really thinking deceitful, leaning towards evil)!

The prosecution emphasized that any fiber evidence is available for the defense to have their own analysis done.

Notice the defense has not challenged the findings

369 posted on 07/31/2002 3:24:12 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Jaded
I don't believe Defense automatically gets any of the evidence. They do get copies of reports that come back to Prosecution. If they get samples they have to pay for independent testing, which in many cases is a great deal more expensive that what the state pays for the same test.

I opined that the defense had access to the evidence, which you don't refute. Are you saying they didn't bother to verify the findings, because it would cost money?

I rather expect the defense DID SATISFY themselves concerning this item of evidence (and others, as well). I further suspect that the defense hasn't claimed falsification or mis-interpretation of evidence, because they have checked, and nothing points them in that direction.

The only logical conclusion is the good folks at FR are wrong; the evidence was not falsified or mis-interpreted, and it IS strong physical evidence against the defendant.

At this point, it might be observed that Feldman was very confident his bug-science would be so one sided, it alone would win the case. Therefore, he didn't challenge the Blood, DNA, Hair, Fiber items, from any scientific standpoint. He certainly hasn't raised any issue, about evidence tampering or falsification.

He has had to work very hard, to avoid having the bug-science turn "neutral." Wednesday morning, on Court TV, a poll said 78% of viewers felt the bug-science topic was a "wash" or "neutral."

I still have some doubts, pending the sur-rebuttal, and closing arguments. I would bet thusly on the outcome of this jury trial:

Acquittal, 10%
Conviction, 30%
Hung Jury, 60%

370 posted on 07/31/2002 3:26:05 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Jaded; truth_seeker
Several times the prosecution has made the following point (this time during J.Shen's 7/9 testimony):

17 THOSE FIBERS THAT WERE SUBJECTED TO THAT TEST?

A. YES.

Q. PHOTOGRAPHS?

A. YES.

Q. ALL OF THEM AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW BY A QUALIFIED EXPERT?

A. YES.

Q. ARE ALL THE FIBERS AVAILABLE

A. YES.

Q. CAN THEY BE RE-EXAMINED IF THERE'S ANY DOUBT ABOUT THE ACCURACY OF YOUR RESULTS?

A. YES, THEY ARE.

371 posted on 07/31/2002 3:34:39 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: truth_seeker
He has had to work very hard, to avoid having the bug-science turn "neutral." Wednesday morning, on Court TV, a poll said 78% of viewers felt the bug-science topic was a "wash" or "neutral."

Interesting. The same group that hassled me about my mostly correct predictions about Goff's testimony gave me similar grief when I said the average non-technical person would just throw up thier hands on the bug stuff and return to looking at the evidence.

Its nice to see I have been correct more than they have.

372 posted on 07/31/2002 3:37:07 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: connectthedots
One orange fiber on Danielle that may or may not be 'similar'?

That is not correct. The fiber is similar in every way to the fibers at DW's.

The phrase you mean is "may or may not have a common source".

Big difference!

373 posted on 07/31/2002 3:38:02 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
JJ, often says that a certain test must be done to prove something was blood.

I just came across this in ref to blood in RV

Q. This test for the presence of blood, we've heard 8 the term, the court has heard the term Hemastix. Is that 9 what you utilized, as well? 10 A. No. That's not what I used. 11 Q. What did you utilize? 12 A. A test called phenylthaline.

Is this the test or was it something else.

374 posted on 07/31/2002 3:40:07 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: cyncooper
*if Danielle wasn't moving around* the fiber could come to be there earlier.

By "there earlier" I meant Feldman's hypothetical of the body being placed at Dehesa later, but he seems to concede the fiber would come to be in the hair at time of death and body not moved around.

375 posted on 07/31/2002 3:41:02 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: demsux
Check out this google link - it shows that Bill and Nedra Libby are involved with this Goldwing thing - I think it's up north more - Bill and Dolly Libby live in Rancho Penasquitos.
376 posted on 07/31/2002 3:41:11 PM PDT by mommya
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To: spectre
A: I TOLD HIM THAT THIS, THE COMING FRIDAY, THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO TALK ME INTO GOING OUT, BUT MY HUSBAND HAD PLANNED TO TAKE DEREK SNOWBOARDING.Q: WHERE WAS HE SUPPOSED TO GO?A: TO BIG BEAR. Q: DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE WAS GOING IN BIG BEAR?A: SNOW SUMMIT.Q: HOW LONG HE WAS GOING TO STAY OR WHEN HE WAS GOING TO GO UP?A: HE WAS GOING TO LEAVE FRIDAY, AND THEY WERE GOING TO RETURN ON SUNDAY.

I'm not crazy after all (I had myself worried for awhile!)

377 posted on 07/31/2002 3:41:33 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: VRWC_minion
1 A. There was one stain that was taken from a

2 curtain, one stain that was taken from the corner of a

3 bedspread, and the third stain that has been referred to

4 has been on the carpet.

5 Q. Where on the carpet, ma'am?

6 A. It was between the closet and the bathroom, on

7 the floor.

8 Q. And how big a stain was it?

9 A. I'd say -- my recollection was maybe -- before it

10 was tested, probably about maybe approximately a

11 quarter inch in diameter.

12 Q. All right. And are you in a position to tell us

13 how old that stain was?

14 A. No, I am not.

15 Q. So you can't tell us when it might have been put

16 there; is that right?

17 A. That's correct.

18 Q. Could have been there a year?

19 A. It's possible.
378 posted on 07/31/2002 3:44:12 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
I think that is still considered a presumptive test and wasn't satisfactory to JJ.
379 posted on 07/31/2002 3:47:36 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: mommya
Yep, you are correct...thanks for pointing that out to me
380 posted on 07/31/2002 3:50:02 PM PDT by demsux
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