Throughout this thread I have discussed both. I have discussed the abuse women face from human trafficking (prostitution, porn) and as it turns out, Only Fans, but I also discussed the schools allowing bullying of boys by girls. Maybe all men aren't guilty of participating, but few are doing anything to stop it.
Prove me wrong. Please.
Re. your rebuttal that the aforementioned phenomenon ("bullying of schoolboys by schoolgirls") has been going on for decades:
And you can't see a problem with that? Do you think it would have been allowed to go on for decades if the roles were reversed? Why or why not?
20% of the men are siring 80% of the children in a certain important American demographic. If this continues, the ratio might get even worse. This amounts to serial polygyny - only the participants ain't gettin' married. It is, in any case, a form of harem-formation.
What difference does that make in the context of this debate, which is that men are choosing porn over relationships. The end results is that women are going to have all of the power, and men will only fall further behind.
I strongly suggest adhering to the stricter sense of "moral culpability" - i.e., that we not expand the definition to include "passivity."
Otherwise, one could foolishly argue that the European Jews were partially culpable for the Holocaust - because they didn't do enough to stop it.
Unnecessarily expanding the scope of the concept of "moral culpability" to include members of the victim class (i.e., men) who looked away, or didn't notice, and who did too little would derail this conversation.
alexander_busek: Re. your rebuttal that the aforementioned [claim that the] phenomenon ("bullying of schoolboys by schoolgirls") has been going on for decades
And you can't see a problem with that? Do you think it would have been allowed to go on for decades if the roles were reversed? Why or why not?
For the third time: I am not qualified to comment upon that! I know too little about the alleged phenomenon, can't cite statistics, can't "vet" your allegations, can't properly address your concerns. Sorry, but I must opt out of that sub-discussion!
alexander_busek: 20% of the men are siring 80% of the children in a certain important American demographic. If this continues, the ratio might get even worse. This amounts to serial polygyny - only the participants ain't gettin' married. It is, in any case, a form of harem-formation.
What difference does that make in the context of this debate, which is that men are choosing porn over relationships.
That is NOT the focus of the debate in which I am participating. SEE THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE! (Hint: I regard porn as at most a tangential / side issue - because it is not as acutely moral in its nature. Yes: Porn can be harmful, it can be addictive, and its seamier side has some important societal implications. If you're religious, there might be reason to include it in this debate - i.e., one might then be able to argue that "men are sinning,too" / "men are likewise guilty." But as long as all participants are there voluntarily - true, by and large - then the ethical aspect is minor - in my opinion.)
The end results is that women are going to have all of the power, and men will only fall further behind.
You seem to be confused: You and I are basically on the same side - though you place emphasis on different sub-topics.
I find that the fact that 80% of the men (at least in one important segment) "can't get any" most certainly relevant to the topic at hand! Namely: The reasons for it are revealing (i.e., they reveal the terrible consequences of unleashed female sexual agency), and the results of it are revealing (the sidelining and suffering of vast swathes of the male population and their consequent withdrawal from society).
"No wonder men are opting out," indeed!
Regards,