Posted on 12/03/2025 2:32:15 AM PST by Libloather
“Genuine question, not trying to make a point: why would paying off the debt crash the economy?”
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Fair question. Think of it this way: Suppose that in your own household, you used your income to pay off a large debt instead of spending it on household items. Until you paid off that debt, would your own household be better or worse off in the short run? Remember, you stopped paying for many current household items (food, clothing, car, furniture, restaurants, repairs, etc.) to start paying off that large debt.
Until you paid off that debt, your household economy would be worse off.
False.
the richest church on the planet is too cheap to spend her money on those who need assistance these days.
False.
Got any more falsehoods to defecate onto the thread?
Then some politician and several rich people decided that instead of the rich paying for the war... The people should pay for it. And we’ve been paying personal income taxes ever since.
The same could be said for payments in blood, for the most part. There’s few of the political or rich caste that are in the military and have to make any sort of personal sacrifice. It’s usually ‘the poors’.
Trump says Americans may soon pay ‘no income tax’ as White House explores alternative revenue streams
If When PDJT47 succeeds with his plan for no income tax, then he needs to do the following. He needs to make his no income tax legacy permanent by leading the states to end the post-17th Amendment ratification (popular vote for federal senators) Congress's ongoing abuse of its 16th Amendment (direct taxes) powers by leading the states to repeal those amendments.
The 16th Amendment (16A) has turned into the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for organized crime, front-ended by deep state Congress.
Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves [emphasis added]. It seems to be the law of our general nature. —Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787)
Consider that a resolution to repeal 16A was introduced as recently as 2021, but was unsurprisingly ignored.
We'll call the repeal amendment Trump's Boston Tea Party II Amendment.
Once unconstitutional federal taxing and spend is stopped, the states will ultimately find a tsunami of new revenues that they probably won't know what to do with imo, healthcare, including taking care of the poor, and education, on the short list of priorities.
Roosevelt falsely promoted Social Security to Americans as a “savings account for the old age of the worker” with contributions made by employers and employees through payroll taxes “held by the government solely for the benefit of the worker in his old age.” This was an intentional lie, but it is what causes people to still believe that Social Security is for Us. It is the largest annual expenditure of the federal government.
First and Foremost, I am absolutely not a FDR fan (I liked Teddy). FDR looked out at the depression and the past a put forth he felt was a rock solid plan to protect the elderly. The problem wasn’t that the plan was flawed, or that base net for the working poor was flawed. No, that was actually acceptable and well thought out. The problem with SS is that at the time it had unrealistic requirements....most people never saw age 65 to retire, but all were taxed.
I think here that FDR actually meant well for the nation and the future. Yes, it was the ‘cornerstone’ of socialism, but it was set up to actually be a positive thing for a growing society in a time of need. The failure of FDR was simple, it was called LBJ. LBJ convinced Congress to vote to ‘raid’ the SS fund to support the Grand Society-—WELFARE. That bankrupted SS, all by itself. The mistake FDR made was not making SS LBJ proof.
Think what this will do for companies. They employ people to do payroll taxes adding little value to the business plus software and everything that goes along with it. Companies are essentially extensions of the IRS.
My wife came in this morning babbling this BS after listening to AFRN. So far terrorists are on track to collect about 360,000,000,000 a year Not near enough to finance this machine Of government.
The easy answer Is in the flat tax but no politician wants that. For that they would have to give up their power play of federal income tax, A tool that favors friends and punishes enemies
FAIRtax Ping!
Your evidence for those assertons?
Personal experience, and the published existence of ministries to the hungry and homeless at every Catholic parish.
All you have to do is look.
Got any proof what I said was false?
NGOs and other government programs have replaced traditional charities and many are run by thieves - prove that wrong.
I was stationed in San Vito Italy in the late 70s - my unit sponsored a Catholic orphanage run by an old priest and several nuns. The housing for the kids had leaky roofs, 6 of the 8 bathroom stalls didn’t work, and there were gaping holes where there should have been windows. We scraped the moss out of the roof joints and tarred it, plumbed the whole bathroom, and put windows in the holes during the 2-1/2 years I was there. The priest kept asking us to clean and varnish over the art work in the small sacristy, and got mad when we told him we wouldn’t do it until we had the kids’ quarters fixed up. We often had to buy our own supplies because the “church” wouldn’t put a dime into it - if it wasn’t covered by charitable donations, it didn’t get bought/done - the priest also said if the donations dried up, the orphanage would close. There were about 30 kids there and when we showed up, they’d come running out, huge smiles on their faces, and yelling “i pazzi Americani” (the crazy Americans). We’d play soccer with them for a half hour or so and then get to work.
So - tell me how much of it’s own money that “church” of yours spends. I’ve seen it first-hand...they are cheap and hoard their wealth and many works of art that only those in the Vatican ever get to see -and then, only the top dogs.
Thank you - please see my post to NorthMountain - his post (43) called me a liar - so I rejoined with my response (52 of the thread).
All you have to do is look at the web page for your nearest Catholic parish.
But no ... you just vent your spleen.
if the donations dried up, the orphanage would close.
Duh! Catholic orphanages (assuming the one you rant about existed) and every other ministry depend on donations. They can't stick a gun in peoples' faces and rob them the way governments do.
Again, all you have to do is look.
Or you can continue to wallow in ignorance.
We need a new amendment - "Only taxpayers can vote."
Paying income taxes is a good (but not perfect) proxy for "having skin in the game". I like it as a criterion for voting ... except that I think Amendment 16 should be repealed, and the income tax abolished ... and the size, scope, power, and cost of government drastically reduced.
Thanks for the ping and keep the faith.
Wow! This is sounding better and better!
No matter what, Social Security is The Nanny State as the Brits first called it. Full disclosure: I am receiving an adequate check from the SSA.
YUP!
We gotta keep truckin’!
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