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To: metmom

___Which is kind of irrelevant when they changed the Ten commandments and renumbered them to still equal ten___

Until one actually studies the Bible and prophecy and sees this attempt to “change set times and law” was predicted. Daniel 7:25. The only commandment having anything to do with time......is the holy Sabbath time. The literal 24 hour period God set aside and made holy. Kept throughout the entire Bibly by God’s people and Christ himself.

How ironic. The ONLY change of the weekly holy day in scripture was a prophecy showing the great counterfeit would attempt to change it.

Never tamper with God’s holy things.......do it at your own risk. “The Sabbaht was made for man”..Mark 2:26. And it was made in Genesis......Genesis 2:1 and 2.


39 posted on 07/03/2025 7:55:16 PM PDT by vespa300
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To: vespa300

That wasn’t the one I was referring to.

They split the last one into two and made don’t covert your neighbor’s wife one and don’t covet your neighbor’s goods separate, and messed with the one about not making idols.

https://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-ten-commandments


44 posted on 07/03/2025 10:03:13 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: vespa300

Typical non-Christian SDA arguments based on flawed misinterprations.

1. You misinterpreted Daniel 7:25

You cite Daniel 7:25, which speaks of a power that “will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws.”

You Adventists often link this to the papacy, claiming it changed the Sabbath to Sunday. But this is a leap that doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

Context of Daniel 7: The chapter describes four beasts, culminating in a “little horn” with blasphemous ambitions. Most Catholic and mainstream biblical scholars identify this horn as a symbol of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Seleucid king who persecuted Jews, desecrated the Temple, and altered Jewish festivals and laws (e.g., banning Sabbath observance, 1 Maccabees 1:41-49). The “set times” likely refer to Jewish liturgical feasts, not the weekly Sabbath specifically. Even if you apply it to a future power, there’s no explicit mention of the Sabbath in Daniel 7:25—your interpretation is an assumption, not a deduction.

You imply the Catholic Church unilaterally changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Historically, this is nonsense. Early Christians, including those taught by the apostles, gathered on Sunday, the “Lord’s Day,” to celebrate Christ’s resurrection (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Revelation 1:10). Writings like the Didache (c. 70-100 AD) and Justin Martyr’s First Apology (c. 155 AD) confirm Sunday worship as standard, long before any centralized papal authority. The Church didn’t “change” the Sabbath; it recognized Sunday as the day of the New Covenant, rooted in Christ’s victory over death.

Linking Daniel 7:25 to a Catholic Sabbath-to-Sunday switch requires ignoring the text’s historical and apocalyptic context. You’re forcing a 19th-century Adventist lens onto a 6th-century BC prophecy. Where’s the biblical proof that “set times” refers exclusively to the Sabbath? You’re projecting, not proving.


150 posted on 07/07/2025 5:21:42 AM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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To: vespa300

If the Sabbath is so central, why does the New Testament never command Christians to keep it? Jesus observed the Sabbath as a Jew under the Old Covenant (Luke 4:16), but His actions often challenged Pharisaic legalism about it (Mark 2:23-28). The apostles never mandated Saturday worship for Gentile converts (Acts 15:19-20). Instead, Colossians 2:16-17 calls Sabbaths, new moons, and festivals “shadows” of Christ, the substance. Romans 14:5-6 allows freedom in choosing worship days. Your insistence on the Sabbath as the eternal standard ignores the New Covenant’s clear shift.

The Church sees Sunday as the “eighth day,” symbolizing the new creation in Christ’s resurrection. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 2174-2176) explains Sunday as fulfilling the Sabbath’s spiritual purpose—rest and worship—while celebrating the Paschal mystery. This isn’t a “counterfeit” change; it’s a theological recognition of Christ’s transformative work, guided by the Church’s God-given authority (Matthew 16:18-19, 18:18).


You lean on Genesis 2:1-2 (God resting on the seventh day) and Mark 2:27 (“The Sabbath was made for man”) to argue the Sabbath’s universal, eternal mandate. Let’s examine these closely.

Genesis 2:1-2: God’s rest after creation sets a pattern, but where’s the command for humanity to observe it weekly before the Mosaic Law? The Sabbath as a formal observance appears in Exodus 16:23-29, given to Israel, not all nations. Your claim that it was “made for man” universally is an assumption, not explicit in the text. Catholics see creation’s rhythm fulfilled in Christ, our rest (Hebrews 4:9-11), not a rigid day.

Mark 2:27: Jesus’ statement that “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” emphasizes its purpose—human well-being, not legalistic bondage. He’s correcting Pharisaic rigidity, not mandating eternal Saturday worship. The next verse, Mark 2:28, declares Jesus as “Lord of the Sabbath,” showing His authority over it. If Jesus fulfills the Law (Matthew 5:17),

why bind Christians to a shadow when we have the substance?


151 posted on 07/07/2025 5:24:47 AM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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To: vespa300

You call the shift to Sunday a prophesied “counterfeit” by the papacy. This is Adventist polemic, not biblical truth, and it’s rooted in historical ignorance.

Sunday worship emerged in the apostolic era, not as a 4th-century papal decree. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 110 AD) wrote of Christians observing the Lord’s Day, not the Sabbath, as a sign of the New Covenant. The Council of Nicaea (325 AD) didn’t establish Sunday worship; it standardized Easter’s date. Your narrative of a papal plot is a 19th-century invention, popularized by Ellen G. White, not grounded in primary sources.


152 posted on 07/07/2025 5:25:38 AM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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To: vespa300

Your “counterfeit” hinges on Daniel 7:25, but as shown, it doesn’t mention the Sabbath. Revelation 13’s “mark of the beast,” another Adventist favorite, is about loyalty to anti-God systems, not Sunday worship. Show me one verse explicitly tying Sunday to a satanic plot. You’re building doctrine on speculation, not Scripture.

Your insistence on the literal 24-hour Sabbath smells of the legalism Jesus condemned (Mark 7:6-13). By making Saturday the litmus test of faithfulness, you risk elevating a ritual over faith in Christ, who alone saves (Ephesians 2:8-9). The early Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, shifted to Sunday without divine rebuke (Acts 15). Are you wiser than the apostles?


153 posted on 07/07/2025 5:27:02 AM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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To: vespa300

John 3:16, Romans 10:9, and countless verses tie salvation to faith in Christ, not a day. Hebrews 4:9-11 says our ultimate rest is in Christ, not a calendar. If you’re betting eternity on Saturday, you’re misplacing your trust.

The New Testament’s silence on mandating Saturday for Christians is deafening—Colossians 2:16-17, Romans 14:5-6, and Acts 15:28-29 make that clear.
You warn of “risk” in tampering with God’s holy things. The real risk is yours—clinging to a legalistic shadow while ignoring Christ’s fulfillment of the Law. If you’re so sure of your position, produce a single New Testament command for Christians to keep the seventh-day Sabbath. You won’t, because it doesn’t exist. Your doctrine rests on Ellen G. White’s visions and Adventist tradition, not God’s Word.


154 posted on 07/07/2025 5:27:50 AM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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