Your claim that Daniel 9’s 70-week prophecy “comes out of” the 2300-day prophecy and must be years, ruling out Antiochus, is a White-inspired fantasy, not Scripture. Let’s shred it:
Your biblical case is a White-driven delusion, not God’s Word.
Your claim that “every Protestant Reformer knew” the papacy was the Antichrist, deflected by Jesuit Preterism and Futurism, is a historical sham:
Your history, Phil, is a lie, forged by White to vilify the Church, not reflect truth.
Your linguistic leap from 2300 days to 2300 years unravels under scrutiny:
Your linguistic trickery, Phil, is White’s invention, not biblical exegesis.
Your argument’s logic is a tangled mess of contradictions:
Your logic, Phil, is a White-inspired fantasy, not divine reason.
Your “Jesuit lies” slur and Antichrist claims stem from Seventh-day Adventism’s demonic core, built on White’s lies:
| Adventist Error | Details | Biblical Refutation |
|---|---|---|
| False Prophecies | White’s 1856, 1844, 1845 failures (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1, p. 131-132). | Deuteronomy 18:22 |
| Investigative Judgment | Denies Christ’s atonement (The Great Controversy, p. 421-422). | Hebrews 9:12 |
| Sabbath Idolatry | Salvific Sabbath lacks support (The Great Controversy, p. 605-612). | Colossians 2:16-17 |
| Anti-Catholic Hatred | White’s Babylon claim (The Great Controversy, p. 50). | Matthew 16:18-19 |
| Plagiarism | White stole from authors (The White Lie by Walter Rea). | Revelation 22:18-19 |
Adventism is a satanic cult, chaining you to White’s lies and a works-based gospel.
——>Your claim that Daniel 9’s 70-week prophecy “comes out of” the 2300-day prophecy and must be years, ruling out Antiochus.
It comes out of the 2300 day(year) prophecy VISION. Daniel makes that very clear.
Dan 8:26“The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given you is true, but seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future.” 27I, Daniel, was worn out. I lay exhausted for several days. Then I got up and went about the king’s business. I was appalled by the vision; it was beyond understanding.
Daniel 9:20While I was speaking and praying, confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel and making my request to the Lord my God for his holy hill— 21while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. 22He instructed me and said to me, “Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. 23As soon as you began to pray, a word went out, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. THEREFORE, CONSIDER THE WORD AND UNDERSTAND THE VISION:
Maybe you should phone a friend and ask a smart Evangelical to weigh in on it? Pretty simple concept.
——>The phrase “consider the word and understand the vision” (9:23) refers to the 70-week prophecy
Not possible, since the last vision he had was in Daniel 8...the 2300 day/year vision...”and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.” and the 70 weeks prophecy DIDN’T COME TO DANIEL IN A VISION. Jesuits must be idiots if they can’t figure out something so simple and clear from the word of God.
Daniel 8:25 SDA Bible Commentary
Without hand. This implies that the Lord Himself will eventually destroy this power (see ch. 2:34). The ecclesiastical system represented by this power will continue until destroyed without human hands at the second coming of Christ (see 2 Thess. 2:8).
A number of commentators have set forth the view that the “little horn” power of ch. 8 symbolizes the career of Antiochus Epiphanes (see on ch. 11:14). However, a careful examination of the prophecy makes evident the incompleteness with which this persecuting Seleucid king fulfilled the specifications set forth. The four horns of the goat (ch. 8:8) were kingdoms (v. 22), and it is natural to expect the little horn to be a kingdom also. But Antiochus was only one king of the Seleucid empire, hence was a part of one horn. Therefore he could not be another complete horn. Further, this horn grew great toward the south, the east, and the pleasant land of Palestine (v. 9). Antiochus’ advance into Egypt ended in humiliation from the Romans, his successes in Palestine were short lived, and his push to the east was cut short by his death. His policy of enforced Hellenism utterly failed, nor did his craft bring him outstanding prosperity (v. 12).
Furthermore, Antiochus did not come at the latter end (v. 23), but about the middle of the period of the divided Hellenistic kingdoms; his might could hardly be attributed to anything but his own power (v. 22); his craft and policy failed more than they prospered (v. 25); he did not stand up against any Jewish “Prince of princes” (v. 25); his casting of the truth to the ground (v. 12) was temporary and completely unsuccessful, for it drove the Jews to the defense of their faith against Hellenism. Even though he spoke proud words, oppressed the people of God, and briefly desecrated the Temple, and though some other points might be argued for as partly true of his activities, nevertheless the inadequacy of Antiochus as a fulfillment of many specifications of the prophecy is obvious. See further on v. 14; chs. 9:25; 11:31.
SDA Bible Commentary on Chapter 9:
Some commentators have missed the close connection between chs. 8 and 9, and thus the relationship between the 2300 “days” of ch. 8 and the 70 “weeks” of ch. 9. The context, however, requires precisely this relationship, as the following facts make evident:
1. All symbols of the vision of ch. 8:2–14 are explained fully in vs. 15–26, with the exception of the 2300 “days” of vs. 13, 14 (see GC 325). In fact, all of vs. 13 and 14 is explained in vs. 24, 25 except the time element involved. In v. 26 Gabriel mentions the time element, but breaks off his explanation before saying anything further about it (see No. 3, below).
2. Daniel knew that the 70 years of captivity foretold by the prophet Jeremiah were nearly at an end (ch. 9:2; see Vol. III, pp. 90–92, 94–97; see on Jer. 25:11).
3. Daniel did not understand the 2300-day time period, the only part of the vision not yet explained (ch. 8:27; see No. 1, above), and evidently feared that it implied an extension of the Captivity and the continued desolation of the sanctuary (see ch. 9:19). He knew that the promise of restoration was conditional upon Israel’s sincere repentance (SL 48; see Vol. IV, p. 34).
4. The prospect of terrible persecution during the course of the 2300 “days” (Dan. 8:10 13, 23–25) proved more than the aged Daniel could bear, and as a result he “fainted, and was sick certain days” (ch. 8:27 GC 325). Accordingly, the angel discontinued the explanation of the vision at this time.
5. During the interval preceding the angel’s return (ch. 9:21) Daniel turned to the prophecies of Jeremiah for a clearer understanding of the divine purpose in the Captivity (see Vol. IV, p. 31), particularly with respect to the 70 years (ch. 9:2).
6. Concluding that Israel’s transgression as a nation was responsible for what he evidently took to be an extension of the 70 years (see No. 3, above), Daniel interceded most earnestly with God for forgiveness, for the return of the captive exiles, and for the restoration of the now desolate sanctuary in Jerusalem (see ch. 9:3–19). His prayer closes with a reiteration of the petition that God will “forgive” the sins of the nation and “defer not” the promise of restoration (v. 19).
7. Note particularly that the unexplained portion of the vision of ch. 8 had foretold that “the sanctuary and the host” would be “trodden under foot” (vs. 13, 14, 24) for a period of 2300 “days.” In his prayer Daniel pleads with God that the time allotted to the Captivity should not be extended (see vs. 16–19). A careful comparison of the prayer of ch. 9 with the problem of ch. 8 makes it clear beyond possible doubt that Daniel had the problem in mind as he prayed. He thought that the vision of the 2300 “days” of desolation for the sanctuary and persecution for God’s people implied that God would “defer” the restoration (ch. 9:19).
8. In answer to this prayer, Gabriel, who had been commissioned to explain the vision of ch. 8 (ch. 8:15–19) but had not as yet completed the explanation (see No. 4, above), greeted Daniel with the announcement, “I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding” (ch. 9:22).
9. The explanation of ch. 9:24–27 is clearly Heaven’s reply to Daniel’s prayer (v. 23), and the solution of the problem about which he was praying (see Nos. 6, 7, above). Compare the original command to Gabriel to explain the vision to Daniel (ch. 8:16) with the renewal of the command at the time of Daniel’s prayer (ch. 9:23), and Gabriel’s command to Daniel to “understand” and “know” (ch. 8:17, 19), with similar expressions in ch. 9:23.
10. Note particularly that Daniel was told to “understand the matter, and consider the vision” (ch. 9:23), that is, the vision he had seen “at the beginning” (v. 21). This can refer only to the vision of ch. 8:2–14, as no other vision had been given since that one. Compare the words “understand the vision” (ch. 8:16) with “consider the vision” (ch. 9:23).
11. The context thus makes certain beyond the possibility of doubt that the explanation of ch. 9:24–27 is a continuation, and completion, of the explanation begun in ch. 8:15–26, and that the explanation of ch. 9:24–27 deals exclusively with the unexplained portion of the vision, that is, with the time element of the 2300 “days” of ch. 8:13, 14. The angel is Gabriel in both instances (chs. 8:16; 9:21), the subject matter is identical, and the context makes evident that the concluding portion of the explanation picks up the thread of explanation at the point it was laid down in ch. 8.