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To: wildcard_redneck

The problem is that the Kellogg side and the entire effort is that WE are the ones begging for a cease fire. That’s a weak position.
We are offering nothing but a cessation of shooting so we can flood Ukraine with weapons and NATO soldiers, giving Ukraine a defense pact (defacto NATO), and starting a timeline for bringing Ukraine into NATO.
In return we offer nothing. No end of sanctions, no repair of Nordstream, no full release of the stolen money and gold we confiscated, no reopening of normal diplomatic relations, no recognition of Crimea and Donbass as Russian, no repudiation of resurgent nazism in Ukraine.

Basically, the Kellogg plan is something WE need, not them. We get all our goals met, they get nothing.
Of course they have no reason to accept that.


9 posted on 12/29/2024 8:56:53 AM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI..)
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To: DesertRhino

Kelogg is a lump of neocon swamp-$**t and a Uke harpy who makes our Zeepers proud. NATO-phile/MIC/DS trashbag and worst possible pick to head negotiations.

The Russians (who watch our news while playing chess) will despise him, and I’m positive he will accomplish nothing.

The cold facts are Trump has the *exact* options Biden did. Sure he’ll get a better deal, but the (bad/worse) choices are the same if he wants this ended - as promised.

All Russia has to do is sit on their newly pushed-out border and continue to suck our military dry.

They will not allow NATO in the rump state of Ukraine...period.


17 posted on 12/29/2024 9:15:42 AM PST by AAABEST (That time Washington DC became a corrupted, existential threat to us all...)
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To: DesertRhino
We get all our goals met, they get nothing. Of course they have no reason to accept that.

Well it's put together by tthe same folks who grew up negotiating budget deals with the likes of Paul Ryan, who had zero neurons or energy for how to get something for their side.

19 posted on 12/29/2024 9:16:56 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: DesertRhino

“ WE are the ones begging for a cease fire. That’s a weak position.”

Exactly.


26 posted on 12/29/2024 9:39:46 AM PST by libh8er
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To: DesertRhino

The problem is that the Kellogg side and the entire effort is that WE are the ones begging for a cease fire.
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Kellogg is a washed out 80 year old NeoCon General, with very little diplomatic skills….he pales to Lavrov’s legendary diplomatic and negotiating skills.

I suspect Trump will have to $hit can him like his extremely poor DOS pick Rex Tillerson, who didn’t last to long in his last administration.

Fact is, the US has no qualified diplomats ( Peacekeepers) left. Years of forever wars bred war mongers, not Peacekeepers.


31 posted on 12/29/2024 9:50:59 AM PST by delta7
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