Posted on 07/18/2024 8:48:17 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
Police officers can and will lie to you. They may claim that an accomplice has already ratted you out. They may claim to have hard evidence against you, such as video footage of you committing the crime. They may give you completely dishonest answers to your questions. Because they're free to lie, it's important to avoid overly trusting their words.
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I agree that my cases are not relevant to the thread. You are the only one so far that is perceptive on this.
If I were testifying in a trial where you were a juror, and the defense asked me if I ever lied to a suspect I would answer yes. I would look at the jury while I was talking and explain the circumstances where someone wanted their property or money back more than they wanted to go to court. Jurors would understand that. Now, if the case had a mirandized confession, evidence or witness identification and you held out and got a hung jury the DA would refile the case. The other jurors would be pissed, at you, that you wasted their time.
On the other hand, when I was a detective then it was my responsibility to do the interview. My confessions were obtained after I read them their rights. I didn't try to trick anyone into confessing. Some invoked right away. They were convicted anyway because of the evidence.
As someone experienced
On minor no jail time stuff as in yes that’s my Bag of weed on in my pocket
It’s best to be nice and don’t make their job harder
You’ll get police cash bond at county and can get out in minutes from the bull pen and never get your orange jumpsuit
If not you can wait days for bond hearing
On serious stuff best to get family to call lawyer and bondsman pronto upon arrival at pokey
At Pokey squeaky wheel gets the phone time but be humble
That’s cute.
But you’re an admitted liar, so I have no reason to believe any of it.
If they ask you to come in for questioning, you bring your lawyer. Don’t talk to them is the first rule. Don’t talk to them without a lawyer is the overriding rule.
I watch these “real detective” shows on TV and the morons always talk to the cops. I was on a grand jury for three months and we saw videos of morons talking to the cops. It’s funny, we did not see videos of people telling the cops that they wanted their lawyers.
“I watch these ‘real detective’ shows on TV and the morons always talk to the cops.”
Me, too. I watch true crime a lot. What gobsmacks me is that the cop will tell them that if they “lawyer up” things will be worse for them, and that talking to the cops will help them make it easier. And the morons BELIEVE THEM.
Keep your mouth shut. Don’t say a word.
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they can be sneaky in their questions.
One time a real estate partner and I needed to exchange paperwork concerning a few contacts, so we agreed to meet at a parking lot where our paths intersected. We met and his car had no room on his front seat so he sat in my ‘69 camaro.
After about ten minutes a squad car rolls up and we’re asked what we’re doing. With papers and folders apparent we told him as I just explained. Please get out of the car. We do. Small talk after giving our DL’s back and he comments “that’s a really nice car...mind if I look at it?”
He then proceeded to search the car everywhere.
Causal question was really disguised as consent to search. I protested and he replied “you consented”.
Found nothing
NEVER talk to the police.
How Miranda rights should be.understood;
“EVERYTHING you say or do WILL be used against you and NOTHING you say or do will be used in your defence.”
It’s a trap
Everyone should watch it. You never know when you might be accused of something you didn’t do.
Thank you for the nice compliment.
You would be a defense attorney's dream juror. You don't like it when officers lie.
You would not vote to convict if:
An undercover officer lied and said he was an addict and purchased drugs to arrest a dealer.
An undercover officer lied and said he was a dealer so that he could purchase large quantities of drugs from cartel members.
An undercover officer lied and said he was a fence so that he could purchase stolen property.
An undercover officer lied on a computer and said he was a 10 year old girl or boy in order to lure a pedophile to a location where the pedophile expected to have sex with the child.
An undercover female pretended to be a hooker so that she could entrap men into "soliciting a prostitute."
You would let some dangerous people free and you would sleep well at night.
And your worst nightmare ... see, I actually hold The State accountable. I insist that The State prove its case before I will deprive my fellow citizens of life, liberty, or property. And I hold public servants to the highest standards.
You seem to have a problem with that. You damn yourself with your own words.
CLEAN UP YOUR ACT.
My conservative Republican roots can be traced back to the beginning of the Republican Party.
My father told me to trust the police.
He also told me AVOID at all costs being put in position that you have to trust the police.
Why did he say that?
Growing up in the rural Midwest, law enforcement authority was the county sheriff.
Most were as corrupt as one could imagine.
It was not unheard of to have a dual system of justice.
If the county sheriff was a Democrat then Democrats got more favorable justice than Republicans.
The right to remain silent is right up there with 1A and 2A.
Don't Talk to Police - Part 1 wherein law professor James Duane explains why even innocent people shouldn't talk to the police.
Don't Talk to Police - Part 2 of 2 in which officer George Bruch of the Virginia Beach Police Department confirms everything Prof. Duane said.
There are versions of this lesson in one video, but some bits are left out.
It is a slippery slope, though. A guilty criminal would not ordinarily confess to a crime, so telling a guilty criminal that they arrested someone else for the crime in order to get the guilty person to say something may not be entrapment because the underlying crime was committed without furtherance by the police.
On the other hand, telling an innocent person that something is not a crime when it is, and then arresting that person for doing it, is entrapment.
-PJ
What happens if the police say that time is of the essence, they need information because someone's life is in danger, or the criminal might get away, or something?
The police can create a false sense of urgency in order to compel someone to forfeit their right to an attorney because that takes time that the police say that they don't have.
-PJ
-PJ
Heh, that looks 100% like him.
I have seen that video at least a dozen times, and I STILL laugh aloud every time I see it!
One quibble...
You have your inherent 5th amendment rights without being mirandized. Your right to remain silent is not given to you by the police or by the reading of miranda rights. The purpose of miranda is to inform the ignorant and uneducated of their rights, it does not start a clock on when those rights become active.
-PJ
Part of police work is eliminating the innocent from further investigation. It's classic Sherlock Holmes: "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
-PJ
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