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Putin's 'winter war' on Ukraine
WND ^ | 11/21/2022 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 11/22/2022 7:54:00 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski

Winter has often proven an indispensable ally of Mother Russia.

The impending winter of 1812-13 forced Napoleon's withdrawal from Moscow, a retreat from which his Grande Armee never recovered.

The winter of 1941-42 sealed the ultimate fate of the invading armies of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich.

Vladimir Putin's new strategy in the war he launched on Ukraine in February is to conscript the coming winter of 2022-23 as an ally of his failing army.

For weeks, there have been reports of Russian air, missile and drone strikes on power plants in every major Ukrainian city.

The false report that a Russian-fired rocket had landed in Poland, killing two civilians, came on a day when 100 Russian bombs, rockets, missiles and drones hit "infrastructure" targets across Ukraine.

It was the heaviest Russian barrage to date in the nine-month war.

Putin's goal: As the Ukrainian army battles the Russian army in the Donbas and Kherson, the power grid upon which the Ukrainian nation and people depend is to be systematically attacked, shut down, destroyed.

Without electric power, there will be no light or heat in Ukrainian homes, hospitals, offices or schools. Without electricity, food cannot be preserved, stoves do not work, water cannot be pumped.

Without power, light and heat, Putin's expectation is that the Ukrainian people, who have patriotically supported their army, will, in the tens of thousands this winter, be at risk of freezing to death in the dark.

Winter, from mid-December to mid-March, is the coldest and darkest of the seasons, and it begins in four weeks.

On Friday, CNN reported that, after the latest wave of Russian strikes, 10 million Ukrainians, a fourth of the nation, were without power…

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: buchanan; buckfuchanan; patbuchanan; russia; ukraine; winter
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1 posted on 11/22/2022 7:54:00 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski
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To: Jan_Sobieski

https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/ua/kyiv/50.39,30.61


2 posted on 11/22/2022 7:59:02 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“Baby, It’s Cold, Inside.”


3 posted on 11/22/2022 7:59:24 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The Soros stooges ain’t gonna like this.


4 posted on 11/22/2022 8:00:03 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

There are a number of fellow Russian stooges of Pat’s here at FR who have been making the exact same points Pat makes. Disregard Pat’s advice at your own risk. We should have been listening to this guy since Reagan.


5 posted on 11/22/2022 8:13:18 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge )
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Its a lifestyle change. there are many of off grid people living up here, and it was 7F yesterday morning.


6 posted on 11/22/2022 8:21:10 PM PST by davidb56
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The Russians did poorly in the war with Finland in the winter of 1939-1940. They won, but it was a Pyrrhic victory, sort of like the Ohio State Buckeyes beating the Whittier College Poets by a field goal late in the fourth quarter.


7 posted on 11/22/2022 8:29:20 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Jan_Sobieski

We did the same thing in Serbia. It ended the war.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/balkans/stories/belgrade052599.htm


8 posted on 11/22/2022 8:57:07 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

The temporary deprivation of power at the end of May is not what Russia is doing.


9 posted on 11/22/2022 9:03:16 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Zelensky should have negotiated back in February.
10 posted on 11/22/2022 9:12:27 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Unable to fight like men, the KGB seeks to kill civilians. Buchananan and KGB trolls dance in blood like their communist masters


11 posted on 11/22/2022 9:31:17 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: ansel12

I guess it is how you define temporary. Actually, it took years for the Serbs to repair the damage done by the bombing.

Still, military officials confirmed that the objective of using conventional explosives against parts of the power grid was to cause longer-lasting disruptions of electrical service. “It’s fair to say we made the decision that we’re going to attack some elements of it in a way that’s going to take it down for longer than it would have been,” said a senior officer at the Pentagon.

By focusing the attacks more on distribution lines than on main production components, the officer said, the damage should take weeks, not years to repair. He said Yugoslav authorities have access to “auxiliary power supplies for many of these facilities,” but he added that the latest attacks should prove more challenging for the Yugoslav military than the brief outages caused by the filament drops.


12 posted on 11/22/2022 10:35:50 PM PST by kabar
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To: ansel12

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/balkans/stories/serbia060599.htm

After 2 1/2 months of war, Yugoslavia is a shattered nation. It is isolated internationally and divided internally. Its president has been indicted for war crimes. Much of its army is in tatters, and hundreds of its factories, buildings, bridges, houses, roads and railway lines are in ruins.

Flanked on its northern and eastern borders by fellow former communist countries such as Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria that today have dreams of becoming a part of Europe’s economic integration, Yugoslavia is heading in the opposite direction.

Before the war began, but after 7 1/2 years of international economic sanctions, the G-17 economic research organization here estimated that it would take 29 years for Yugoslavia to reach the level of economic prosperity it had in 1989. Today, the think tank says, it will take 45 years — without a significant infusion of international aid.

The price tag for repairing the country after more than 10 weeks of NATO’s bombardment is estimated to be anywhere between $50 billion and $150 billion.


13 posted on 11/22/2022 10:40:04 PM PST by kabar
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To: rmlew

Yep! The same commies that stole our elections


14 posted on 11/22/2022 10:56:13 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: kabar

The source you are quoting shows that what NATO did was different than what Russia is doing.

NATO went for weeks of disruption at the warm part of the year and the start of summer.

Russia is taking out civilian power and heat and water permanently at the beginning of a deadly winter.


15 posted on 11/23/2022 12:44:40 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: rmlew; davidb56; Fiji Hill; ansel12; UMCRevMom@aol.com; PIF; ought-six; SpeedyInTexas; ...

Already only up to comment #10 and their are 6 Comrades and Pooty Pals chiming in or having posted this Pat piece in the first place. Let’s just ignore them and let this thread die on the vine.

Bottom line is this at the end of the posted article at the original site: “The Polish missile incident, and the noisy clamor that arose for retaliation against Russia for hitting a NATO country, exposed the risks inherent in our many treaty commitments, where we are obliged to go to war for scores of nations, most of which are not remotely related to the security or vital interests of the United States.”

Pat talks about the “noisy clamor that arose for retaliation” when the 2 Polish people died from what was probably a Ukraine missle shot to try to destroy the Russian aggressor’s missile attempts to destroy their winter power. I pay a lot of attention to both MSM and Public Interest news, and there was only sympathy from NATO country leaders for Ukraines need to defend itself from the vicious invader, Russia.

No wonder Pats political efforts never took off successfully, he does not understand that the majority of Americans are well aware Russia is not our friend and unlikely to be one as long as Putin and his like are in power. Many are very happy to see Russia burn through its conventional arms without American troops involved in any significant amount. Slava Ukraine! Most Americans realize that this fight is definitely related to the security and vital interests of the United States.


16 posted on 11/23/2022 1:38:40 AM PST by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

https://t.me/IntelRepublic (video of the blowhard “telling” on Germany)

❗️WE HAVE BORIS TO BLAME: Johnson spills the beans on CNN that Germany’s Scholz had initially called on Kiev to surrender.

European powers understanding FULL well that a US-instigated war on European soil is in nobody’s interests, Bozo’s geopolitical nous has now plunged the continent into a deep energy crisis - nothing you can’t fix with a new kettle though.

He said everyone had different positions on the war. The French were in denial up until the war started. The Germans for economic reasons wanted it to be short and for Ukraine to fold right away. The Italians who rely heavily on Russian hydrocarbons said they could not participate.

But, good ole BoJo insisted. Funny thing he is the one who talked Zelensky out of the tentative agreement he had reached with Russia in April.

300,000 Ukrainian casualties so far...BoJo has a lot of blood on his hands. And still Ukraine/NATO are being defeated anyway. What a waste...worldwide (especially European) economic disaster and great worldwide suffering, starvation, freezing, etc.


17 posted on 11/23/2022 1:43:51 AM PST by Cathi
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To: gleeaikin; Jan_Sobieski
"...the noisy clamor that arose for retaliation against Russia for hitting a NATO country, exposed the risks inherent in our many treaty commitments..." What missed in all the hysteria is that Poland has withdrew its request for a article four session, and no one in NATO icalled for article five. No one in the US or NATO governments advocated retalating aganist Russia, that is a flat out false accusation.

It was only those opposed to the US and NATO supporting Ukraine making these claims, and are still making them after Poland, the US and NATO have moved on.

Then there is the unasked question. What was Ukraine firing a S-300 at, along the Polish Ukranian border, during one of the largest Russian missile attacks so far? The answer to that might be more of a esclation than a errant Ukranian missile.

18 posted on 11/23/2022 2:14:05 AM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - Just say no to CCCP 2.0)
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To: kabar

We did the same thing in Serbia. It ended the war.


From the WaPo article cited: “The prospect of sustained blackouts brought renewed anger toward the alliance. Some cited the power outages as evidence that the genuine aim of NATO is not to expel Yugoslav troops and Serbian special police units from Kosovo, but to punish civilians and wreck the country.”

and did not end the war, contrary to your erroneous assertion, troll.


19 posted on 11/23/2022 3:15:23 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Having lived in the country in the woods for 40 years, not having electricity can be dealt with.

Not having water is impossible.

Of course, usually water cannot be had w/o electricity.....


20 posted on 11/23/2022 5:42:40 AM PST by Arlis
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