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The hidden truths about your electric car
American Thinker ^ | 09/25/2022

Posted on 09/25/2022 8:19:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

What are the implications of purchasing an electric vehicle (E.V.)? Let's find out.

A new full-size E.V. capable of traveling about 300 miles with a single charge currently sells for about $60,000. Typical E.V. battery replacement after 3–5 years of normal use sells for $10,000–$15,000. This type lithium battery replacement is handled only by an authorized dealership. On the other hand, a new full-size gas vehicle (G.V.) sells for approximately $40,000. Typical battery replacement for the same normal use sells for $100–$150 and can be replaced and installed by the individual owner.

Let's consider the cost of ownership of driving a vehicle 100,000 miles. For the E.V., an 8-hour charge, which is good for a range of about 300 miles, is now about $8 per charge, or about $2,700. The E.V. cost includes a $60,000 initial cost plus the $2,700 charging cost and a $10,000 battery, totaling $72,700. For the G.V., the cost includes $40,000 initial cost plus $300 battery (2) replacements and 4,000 gallons of gasoline, averaging 25 miles per gallon at current gas price of $3.50 per gallon, or $14,000, and $2,000 maintenance, which totals $56,300.

It follows that the price for gasoline would have to be about $7.60 per gallon for ownership cost of the E.V. to be equivalent to that of a traditional G.V. These numbers are part of the hidden truths.

A typical E.V. battery weighs one thousand pounds and is about the size of a car trunk. It contains 25 pounds of lithium; 60 pounds of nickel; 44 pounds of manganese; 30 pounds of cobalt; 200 pounds of copper; and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. This type of battery contains over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells. The majority of these materials are derived from mining operations worldwide.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Science; Society
KEYWORDS: electriccar; ev; greenenergy; hh2
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1 posted on 09/25/2022 8:19:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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FR EV-ites in 3,...2,.... Yeah I know circumstances and results for each person will vary.................


2 posted on 09/25/2022 8:22:28 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To manufacture each E.V. auto battery, the following material must be processed: 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper.

All told, suppliers must dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery. Sixty-eight percent of the world’s cobalt, a significant part of an E.V. battery, comes from the Congo, where they have no pollution controls and minimal regulation, and they employ children, who die from handling this toxic material.

There are no emissions directly from an E.V. itself. However, there are many from mining operations. These facts are not generally publicized.

Don’t get me wrong, EV.s can be part of the solution, but doing away with fossil fuels like what California wants to do is not a viable alternative at this time.


3 posted on 09/25/2022 8:23:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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They can paint childrens’ hand prints in red on electric cars in memory of the suffering of the children mining metals for the batteries.


4 posted on 09/25/2022 8:24:45 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To manufacture each E.V. auto battery, the following material must be processed: 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper.

All told, suppliers must dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery. Sixty-eight percent of the world’s cobalt, a significant part of an E.V. battery, comes from the Congo, where they have no pollution controls and minimal regulation, and they employ children, who die from handling this toxic material.

There are no emissions directly from an E.V. itself. However, there are many from mining operations. These facts are not generally publicized.

Don’t get me wrong, EV.s can be part of the solution, but doing away with fossil fuels like California wants to do is not a viable alternative now.


5 posted on 09/25/2022 8:25:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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But folks FEEL good about it and isn’t that what counts? 😵‍💫😎👌


6 posted on 09/25/2022 8:27:48 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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A very poor analysis. It ignores the time value of money, trade-in value, insurance costs, future electricity rate hikes to build new generating capacity to charge cars, and absence of road taxes on electricity.

Very superficial.


7 posted on 09/25/2022 8:27:58 AM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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EVs were and are good for something but now they’re trying to force them into a function the tech isn’t ready for.


8 posted on 09/25/2022 8:31:20 AM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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There are no emissions directly from an E.V. itself. However, there are many from mining operations.

There are, in fact, so many, that I can "roll coal" from a dirty, deleted, diesel truck for it's entire life of 500,000 miles, and it still would produce less pollution and environmental damage than just producing an EV (before it even leaves the sales lot).

9 posted on 09/25/2022 8:32:11 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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“All told, suppliers must dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery.”

Not an expert on how gasoline cars are built, but I suspect that much of the steel is RECYCLED from junkers at this point and probably similar for aluminum, since aluminum is already profitable to recycle, so not much mining there.


10 posted on 09/25/2022 8:32:20 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 43 degrees)
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It follows that the price for gasoline would have to be about $7.60 per gallon for ownership cost of the E.V. to be equivalent to that of a traditional G.V.

Thanks for telling us where the price of gas is going if liberals have their way.

11 posted on 09/25/2022 8:33:33 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I was born into this world with nothing . . and I still have most of it .)
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Can we move away from the term “fossil fuels”? They are petroleum products and petrochemicals.


12 posted on 09/25/2022 8:33:42 AM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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“But folks FEEL good about it and isn’t that what counts? 😵‍💫😎👌”

Stop sounding like a TOTAL IDIOT.

The reason why people voluntarily buy EVs is to SEND A MESSAGE.

A message that THEY CARE about the planet more than anyone else (even if their cars are powered by coal).


13 posted on 09/25/2022 8:34:15 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 43 degrees)
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14 posted on 09/25/2022 8:35:50 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Delete FB, TWTR, GOOGL, AMZN, YHOO, Gmail/chrome. Use Gab, Brave + DDG, VPN, Freerepublic )
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absence of road taxes on electricity.

$200 extra per year to register an electric car in Ohio on top of the $60 or so for any car.

15 posted on 09/25/2022 8:36:25 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The government sees you as either livestock or pet. If things get bad they will eat their pets too.)
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That’ll buff right out.


16 posted on 09/25/2022 8:36:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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An odd one I found out. There are some people who when sitting in the front passenger seat will get carsick and vomit. It doesn’t seem to happen to the driver, and is unknown if those in the back seats will get hit by it.

Before I looked this up, for the first time I rode in an EV in the passenger seat. A clear, bright day on a smooth road. Then about half an hour into the trip, blaagh.

Just look up “carsick in EV”. Lots of references.


17 posted on 09/25/2022 8:39:10 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: FirstFlaBn
A very poor analysis. It ignores the time value of money, trade-in value, insurance costs, future electricity rate hikes to build new generating capacity to charge cars, and absence of road taxes on electricity.

Very superficial.

Can't even be bothered to get the battery life right.

Tesla batteries for instance are guaranteed for eight years. Which given the construction of the rest of the car makes it unlikely that you will want to put a new battery in it even if it should need one by then ";^)

18 posted on 09/25/2022 8:40:12 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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If China didn’t control the supply of minerals for the batteries would EVs even be a thing?

This all seems irrational.


19 posted on 09/25/2022 8:40:36 AM PDT by Aria
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“FR EV-ites in 3,...2,....”

Yep. They remind me of atheists a little.
It’s not enough that they have every right to think EVs are a good thing, they want to shut down everyone else’s right to critique the product....weird.


20 posted on 09/25/2022 8:45:15 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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