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Pointing to the math, Clay Travis pontificates that perhaps England should be paying reparations to African Americans
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Posted on 09/17/2022 1:15:01 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

I know this is a contentious issue for many, yet the fact that the United States did not exist prior to a certain date, is really hard to ignore. On the Tuesday broadcast, toward the end of the second hour, Clay said the following:

I've always been fascisnated, Buck, by the reparations argument in the United States in particular, because you know slavery was only legal in the United States for 80 years. A lot of people never actually do the math on it. United States was a country from 1783 until 1863 that allowed slavery to be permitted as an independent nation, 80 years. Most reparations for slavery would actually have to be paid by England because England was in charge of the United States colonies for the vast majority of our history.

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You never hear anybody who advocates for reparations say ok, England is on the hook for 1619 to 1783, which is whatever the math is on that.

The podcast link is here, here, and the direct downloadable option is here. If you do download or listen to the podcast - and I really think you should, start listening around 35:25. Buck of course agreed to some extent, pointing out that in those years, Transatlantic slave trading was an English program and that it was spread by them and other European powers. Historically speaking, all of this commentary is correct. There's a lot more to it and as a citizen historian I would love to give you eighty thousand words on it, but I'm really intent on just saying "Here's what they said on the radio show, let's focus on the math, this is it" and a little knock against the progressives is probably sufficient too.

Now, for the record, I think that Clay is calling out the hypocrisy of progressives on this. I do not think he supports reparations, and so its said I don't support reparations either. But to say that the United States should pay reparations for when The Empire controlled the land and the plantations would make about as much sense to say that the United States should pay reparations to Jamaica in accordance to their leaders' wishes to receive reparation payments. Jamaica is another nation who is also calling for reparations.

Why would the United States pay reparations to Jamaica when the U.S. was not in control? That land was controlled by the Empire. Why should the United States pay reparations for anything prior to 1783? The Empire still claimed the land. That means they also claim the slavery. Even more clear-cut is prior to the Declaration. Everybody was a proud citizen of the British Empire. How is that slavery America's fault when the U.S. doesn't even exist in any way, shape, or form?

Progressives can't have it both ways on this.

Jamaica was wholly-owned by the British Empire. Prior to 1783, the 13 colonies were wholly-owned by the British Empire despite that war that was going on. I don't support reparations, but let's be real with ourselves. This responsibility falls on the Empire. This is very simple math. The United States is just not that old.

While progressives are liars, the math doesn't lie to you on this, just subtract the years and see what you come up with.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: britishempire; reparations; rubbish; zot
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1 posted on 09/17/2022 1:15:01 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Nobody owes such reparations. Never even play the game.


2 posted on 09/17/2022 1:24:40 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

They can do that after they pay the Irish and Scots.

The Romans owe the Irish a bunch of reparations too.


3 posted on 09/17/2022 1:24:48 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
I'll believe the reparations hogwash the moment they demand the descendants of slave raiders still in sub-Saharan Africa who went around capturing other blacks and selling them into slavery.

Anglos deserve blame for about 3% of the demand side of African slaves. Africans deserve blame for literally 99% of the supply side of African slaves.

4 posted on 09/17/2022 1:26:47 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

And who is this clay useful idiot and why should anyone listen to him?


5 posted on 09/17/2022 1:27:39 PM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

The Left also likes to while about the Atlantic Slave Trade. We got out of that business in 1805. So that was a grand total of 22 years for us. And even then, the Atlantic Slave Trade was almost entirely focused on funneling slaves to the Caribbean and South America. The United States of America was barely involved.


6 posted on 09/17/2022 1:29:17 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are already in a revolutionary period, and the Rule of Law means nothing. )
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To: ClearCase_guy

while = whine


7 posted on 09/17/2022 1:29:52 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are already in a revolutionary period, and the Rule of Law means nothing. )
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Africa enslaved people and sold them, so go hit them up...


8 posted on 09/17/2022 1:30:22 PM PDT by Vision (Elections are one day. Reject "Chicago" vote harvesting. Election Reform Now. Obama is an evildoer.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I thought the point of the 1619 Project was the U.S. was only responsible for slavery and evil, even though it didn’t exist.


9 posted on 09/17/2022 1:31:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

US responsible for slavery all the way back to the Neolithic!


10 posted on 09/17/2022 1:33:27 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Rurudyne

“Nobody owes such reparations. Never even play the game.”

I agree. I know Clay thinks he is being clever and all but the concept of reparations for anything done in the distant past is irrational.


11 posted on 09/17/2022 1:34:31 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I think the African tribes who sold their fellow tribesman should pay.


12 posted on 09/17/2022 1:34:42 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: Tell It Right

I believe that the American taxpayer is due reparations for paying for the care and feeding of democrat voters for a couple of generations.


13 posted on 09/17/2022 1:39:18 PM PDT by Texas resident ( Let's Go Brandon)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

England already paid reparations. Did that and then in 1840ish started stamping it out across the world.
The US had to do things a bit different because of its constitution. Other countries (like all of SAmerica) avoided the issue for as long as they could.


14 posted on 09/17/2022 1:44:10 PM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: joma89

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton took over Rush’s time slot on talk radio.


15 posted on 09/17/2022 1:48:02 PM PDT by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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To: bobbo666

“England already paid reparations.”

I agree.

It is true that they ran the show for centuries in the 1600s/1700s, but fast forward to 1808 and they’re using their entire navy to get rid of it.

Navies aren’t cheap. Britain is paid in full.


16 posted on 09/17/2022 1:49:16 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

The British solution was to “buy back” the slaves from their masters and “set them free”. They paid no reparations. They paid off the masters. Perhaps we should follow their example and pay reparations to white people?

Just a thought and other viewpoint. Nobody yells at the British for THEIR years of slavery.


17 posted on 09/17/2022 1:49:17 PM PDT by Whatever Works
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Everyone forgets how the idea of reparations started.

It started with Japanese Americans sent to internment during WWII.

In the early 1990’s, they received reparation payments.

German Americans and Italian Americans were forced into internment, too. They were not given reparations.

Black Americans were not given reparations for slavery.

Yet, no one complains about Japanese Americans receiving reparations for WWII internment.


18 posted on 09/17/2022 1:50:31 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Then the Democrat Party can pay the balance.


19 posted on 09/17/2022 1:51:43 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: joma89
And who is this clay useful idiot and why should anyone listen to him?

After Rush Limbaugh died, the "Clay and Buck Show" was billed as a Rush replacement. It was not. They say they have "Talent on loan from Rush." They do not.

At least Dan Bongino acknowledges that he is not in Rush's league.

20 posted on 09/17/2022 1:53:26 PM PDT by TChad ("Joe, we should evacuate the civilians before the military. You understand that, right? Joe?")
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