What’s The Difference Between Covid-19 Coronavirus Vaccines?

Forbes ^ | 11/29 /2021 | J.V. Chamary

[SaxxonWoods]

As the above examples show, not only there are many potential vaccines but also various approaches. And while some technologies have already provided promising results, it remains to be seen which will actually be able to defeat the virus.

[SaxxonWoods]

Older article but it lays out the different vaccine approaches as of the publish date. It looks like China was the only country that (at the time of release of this article) working on a traditional "dead virus" type of vaccine.

Why is that? Why aren't most COVID vaccines "dead virus" vaccines like most prior respiratory vaccines?

Thanks for any comments and this isn't an attack post, just looking for information about vaccine types. Is anyone outside China working on or producing dead virus style vaccines? If not, why not?

Thanks.

[rktman]

Hmmmm. Similarities. I didn’t get either one. Just our choice. Even if we have to “PAY THE PRICE” as Pedo Joe threatened us.

[Gen.Blather]

I’m not associated with this podcast.

These people are knowledgably discussing the vaccine risks and they are multiplying. Now the vaccines are finding parts of the vaccine accumulating in the female reproductive organs. The consequence of this is not yet known, but worrying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMxuNvVgxlU

[HypatiaTaught]

Fauci and company team up to create a virus to cause destruction in a human population.

Then Fauci and company team up to reap the financial rewards of said cure...

Meanwhile most folks think this was just a terrible act of nature and the government and big pharma are here to help...

Embarrassing.

[DesertRhino]

Forbes magazine is majority owned by the communist government in China. So anything you read there is right from the communist dictatorship.

Fact.

[SaxxonWoods]

Thanks. Vaccines are being worked on and produced worldwide. I don’t believe all those entities are trying kill off the population.

My main curiosity is why prior respiratory vaccines were made using a dead or live virus and today’s offered vaccines are experimental and not using an actual dead or live virus.

Would full approvals be faster/easier if the vaccines were using live/dead virus? Maybe it’s the opposite, and that’s why we are being offered experimental vaccines that don’t use the virus itself. Perhaps it was decided that speed of delivery was paramount.

My question has nothing to do with claims about bad intent in production of vaccines. That’s a different subject.

[Pollard]

The two most famous nucleic-acid vaccines are the drugs being developed by pharmaceutical giant Pfizer, partnered with BioNTech, and Moderna. Pfizer's 'BNT162b2' and Moderna's 'mRNA-1273' both use 'messenger RNA' — mRNA — to carry the spike genes and are delivered into cells via a lipid nanoparticle (LNP). The two mRNA vaccines have completed Phase III trials and preliminary results suggests they're over 90% effective at preventing Covid-19.

Someone's lying. Article dated Nov 2020

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Pfizer doc also dated Nov 2020 outlines Phase 1 for 24 months and Phase 2/3 another 24 months. Moderna has a similar doc dated Aug 2020.

https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf

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Penn State article from Dec 2020 states that Phase 1/2 have only gone on for two months.

Paper is sourced

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%20final.pdf

Larger trials results expected mid 2021. Evidence of safely is lacking.

We thank you for your participation and may the odds be forever in your favor.

[SaxxonWoods]

So far this thread is a bust because no one is addressing the subject and question asked.

There’s still time if anyone wants to do that!

[shanover]

Forbes is absolute trash written by those with nefarious anti-America agenda and foreigners.

[Deo et patriae]

Com’on everybody.
Stop calling it a vaccine.
It is an injection!

[Pollard]

Kind of a mute point because it’s not like people are given a choice as to which jab they get. It’s going to be whatever is available where you can get the jab. Seems like the US is using Pfizer/Moderna mRNA, most likely because Fauxi and others in high places are profiting off of those two. AFAIK, this is the first time mRNA vaccines are being used on humans. Never even had large clinical trials. There’s also never been a vaccine for a coronavirus until COVID. Now everyone seems to be able to make them and in different types with different effectiveness.

In my case, the tech of something I don’t plan on getting doesn’t really matter. I don’t get flu shots either. Had one once and I prefer the flu. Haven’t had the flu or a cold(coronavirus) in five years now so I guess I’ve built up immunity. I’ll stick with that.

[SaxxonWoods]

I’m pretty much like you. I have gotten the flu shot only when harried by my wife later in life.

I have not gotten a COVID shot.

I’m just curious about why these COVID shots aren’t the typical vaccination style using live or dead viruses.

I’ve not gotten a single reply addressing that question.

[SaxxonWoods]

“Com’on everybody.
Stop calling it a vaccine.
It is an injection!”

Been there, done that, it’s irrelevant to my question. Vaccine, shot, whatever you prefer.

[Karliner]

From my reading/study it’s as you say,”speed of delivery.” Not sure about your other question. I don’t believe intent to harm on a mass scale but would suggest the speed of delivery without a complete testing( again time of essence) has enhanced the nasty side effects/adverse reactions.

My wariness is why a vaccine when recovery rate is 99.74% and why vaccines for people who have already had it, and young people who rarely get is and not fatal?

Politics rears its ugly head in these questions.

You’d have to direct some questions to a doctor if you can find an honest one without political `and personal feelings versus science( which science?). Questioning the efficacy and even the logic behind shutting down the whole world for a virus that is bad but not shutting down the planet bad is wise.

Some doctors will tell you the mRNA is safe, others will say no. One thing is certain, we’ve never done this before nor will we see the endpoint of mRNA vaccines for years to come despite what anyone tells you. It has not been tested long term.
And that brings up the question as to how long one holds out( becoming a leper and stamped unvaccintated) or taking the jab and which one is the best? It’s a crap shoot.

Hope someone answers your questions.

[Paleo Conservative]

The Sinovac vaccine is pretty ineffective (51%) against the Delta (Indian) variant.

INFECTIONS AMONG VACCINATED INDONESIAN HEALTH WORKERS
Sinovac jab’s efficacy questioned

I'm in the Moderna trial. I wouldn't want to have any of the other vaccine technologies given my age. If I were younger, I would get the J&J, because it doesn't seem to cause the heart inflammation issues in younger males that the mRNA vaccines sometimes cause. On the other hand, females of reproductive age should get the mRNA vaccines, because they haven't been implicated in blood clotting in females of reproductive age that the viral vector vaccines like J&J and AstraZenica have. I think going forward vaccines won't be one size fits all products the way they have been in the past.

[ransomnote]

This is biowarfare and they planned ahead.
The CDC quietly patented SARS-1 in 2003. It filed to keep its patent confidential.

The laws have changed and now new patents are private for the first 18 months.

The CDC and NIH worked to help weaponize their patented SARS1. Once someone patents a virus, they can control who studies it, how it is measured, how it is tested.

So information we’d normally have is ‘missing.’

The Chinese have technology to help the CDC/NIH hide their tracks. The SARS1 virus was weaponized to become Sars2 (Covid) and then Chinese technology helped confuse the traces of information which would reveal they were from the same strain.

You can’t patent a naturally occurring virus (”You can’t patent nature”). Patenting a bioengineered virus would be a violation of war and weapons treaties. So the CDC hides the fact that it controls and has patents on Covid viruses. That’s why we’re still using the PCR test which is not valid for this purpose - it doesn’t detect the virus or the illness.

Why would the WHO, CDC, NIH etc. all purposefully select an invalid test and continue to use it throughout this biowarfare attack? Many strategic purposes - but the fact that they did so and continue to do so proves they want to cause harm, kill Americans.

IF there are no live virus versions it’s likely because the virus is patented and the enemies of freedom like the CDC do not grant permission for the use of purified samples in the development of deactivated virus forms of vaccines. Foreign countries also patent/control access to the virus in their nations. This level of coordination took many, many international collaborations and workshops (e.g., Event 201, Project Lockstep etc).

In the US, researchers are routinely told no purified samples are available from scientific supply houses which normally carry such products. There are research papers on the virus but seem to all be funded by organizations like the NIH (playing on our enemies’ team, whether they know it or not).

[SaxxonWoods]

Thanks, and we agree on much.

[FormerFRLurker]

I am not a scientist but if I had to guess I’d say it takes time to produce a “dead virus” vaccine and scientists were under pressure to produce a vaccine fast so economies could reopen without straining local hospital systems. Just my theory though.

[TChad]

Why is that? Why aren't most COVID vaccines "dead virus" vaccines like most prior respiratory vaccines?

FWIW, here's an answer from Moderna:

https://www.modernatx.com/pipeline/therapeutic-areas/mrna-therapeutic-areas-infectious-diseases

We believe mRNA-based vaccines offer several advantages, including:

Ability to mimic many aspects of natural viral infections. mRNA enters cells and is used to produce viral antigen proteins from within the cell that include natural, post-translational modifications. This mimics the process by which natural viral infections occur, where information from viral genomes is used to produce viral proteins from within a cell. This can potentially enhance the immune response, including improved B and T cell responses.

Multiplexing of mRNA for more compelling product profiles. Multiple mRNAs encoding for multiple viral proteins can be included in a single vaccine, permitting production of complex multimeric antigens that are much more difficult to achieve with traditional technologies. As an example, our CMV vaccine (mRNA-1647) contains six mRNAs, five of which encode five different proteins that combine to form a pentameric protein complex that is a potentially critical antigen for immune protection against CMV.

Rapid discovery and advancement of mRNA programs into the clinic. Many viral antigens are known. However, with traditional vaccines, the target pathogens or antigens have to be produced in dedicated cell-cultures and/or fermentation-based manufacturing production processes in order to initiate testing of potential vaccine constructs. Our ability to design our antigens in silico allows us to rapidly produce and test antigens in preclinical models, which can dramatically accelerate our vaccine selection.

Capital efficiency and speed from shared manufacturing processes and infrastructure. Traditional vaccines require product-dedicated production processes, facilities, and operators. Our mRNA vaccines are produced in a manufacturing process that is sufficiently consistent across our pipeline to allow us to use a single facility to produce all of our mRNA vaccines.