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The Facts of Life (Willam Kristol publicly chooses Biden over conservatism)
The Bulwark ^ | March 1, 2021 | William Kristol

Posted on 03/02/2021 6:23:38 PM PST by DoodleBob

My suggestion last week that perhaps the best way some of us who’ve been conservatives can now help the country is to help the Biden administration succeed, and help the Democratic party move to the center, seems to have stirred up a minor tempest in the conservative teapot.

I asked whether one shouldn’t “consider allying oneself with the Biden wing of the Democratic party? Aren’t the Red Dogs worth at least a thought?” And the answer, from several reasonable and honest conservatives, was, “Not really.”

That’s fine. I wrote the piece to stimulate debate and I’m glad it did. I didn’t expect everyone to abandon long-held attachments overnight, or to put aside newly enchanting other possibilities for this somewhat more mundane proposition.

But let’s go back over the available options:

You want to save the Republican party? I’m all for it. In fact, the Republican Accountability Project, of which I’m a part, is doing its best to help do so.

You’re interested in exploring whether a new, centrist party is possible, as Joe Walsh urged last week? I’m game to take a look.

I am, however, not convinced that either of those alternatives presents a viable short-term path forward—at a moment when the short term is deeply important, because our democracy faces an internal crisis.

After all, we did just fail to have a traditionally peaceful transfer of power. One of our two major parties—having failed in a coup attempt—now claims that the current administration is illegitimately elected, the result of massive, coordinated fraud. The logical extension of this position would seem to be that the American constitutional order deserving of our allegiance no longer exists.

So we are at the edge of crisis, having repulsed one attempted authoritarian power grab and bracing for another.

In light of this, I would argue that the current debate really isn’t about—or rather shouldn’t be about—how we feel we can best be true to ourselves. Or how closely we can hew to our longstanding principles. Or where this person or that policy stands in the long and interesting history of American conservatism.

For me at least, the proper debate should be about the country and the preservation of the democratic order. And the most important question is: What is now achievable and beneficial for America?

“I adhere to conservative principles so I can’t take this step” is an understandable reaction to my suggestion. But I’d say it’s not really a conservative reaction. A conservative considers the real-world consequences of her principles. A conservative considers how adherence to—or deviation from—certain principles would help or hurt the goals conservatism seeks to achieve. Because it is these goals—liberty, justice, good government, democracy, stability, and so on—that matter. Not the “-ism.” Conservatism is a means to those goals, not an end in itself.

Or to put it otherwise: When Margaret Thatcher commented that “the facts of life are conservative,” she wasn’t adding “the facts of life” to a list of arguments for conservatism. She was saying she was conservative because the facts of life are what they are.

And one of those facts of life is that a dangerous, anti-democratic faction—which pretty clearly constitutes a majority—of the nation’s conservative party is not committed in any serious way to the truth, the rule of law, or the basic foundations of our liberal democracy.

At bottom, I think we need to spend more time thinking through the challenges facing our democratic order today, and less time gazing into the navel of American conservatism.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m interested in debates about American conservatism. I’d like to save American conservatism. But I’m more interested in saving—and I have a greater sense of urgency about saving—American democracy.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Society
KEYWORDS: bulwark; nevertrumper; williamkristol
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1 posted on 03/02/2021 6:23:38 PM PST by DoodleBob
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To: DoodleBob

What a weenie!


2 posted on 03/02/2021 6:26:31 PM PST by kanawa ((Twitter quitter))
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To: DoodleBob

“One of our two major parties—having failed in a coup attempt—now claims that the current administration is illegitimately elected, the result of massive, coordinated fraud. The logical extension of this position would seem to be that the American constitutional order deserving of our allegiance no longer exists.”

Yep.

I hope the false POTUS BiXiden fails.


3 posted on 03/02/2021 6:27:33 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: DoodleBob

What a fraud. Eff him.


4 posted on 03/02/2021 6:27:43 PM PST by Win94
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To: DoodleBob
But I’m more interested in saving—and I have a greater sense of urgency about saving—American democracy.

But Bill, you are only interested in doing that to the extent that it does not benefit Trump - just like all the RINOs in Congress. That's why "democracy" is in this mess - because you tried to misuse it to eliminate a fellow Republican you thought boorish and uncultured.

5 posted on 03/02/2021 6:28:15 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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a. a person regarded as ineffectual, weak, dull, etc.; wimp or nerd.
b. a person regarded as offensive, disagreeable, ridiculous, etc.; jerk.


6 posted on 03/02/2021 6:28:57 PM PST by kanawa ((Twitter quitter))
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To: DoodleBob

Bulwark is BULL SH-T!


7 posted on 03/02/2021 6:30:09 PM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: DoodleBob

Let me think about it...... How about never and FOAD!


8 posted on 03/02/2021 6:32:35 PM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: kanawa

Only thing Kristol stimulates is a bowel movement


9 posted on 03/02/2021 6:32:58 PM PST by TonyChris (Didn't vote for Amazon in last election)
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To: kanawa
And one of those facts of life is that a dangerous, anti-democratic faction—which pretty clearly constitutes a majority—of the nation’s conservative party is not committed in any serious way to the truth, the rule of law, or the basic foundations of our liberal democracy.

And there you go. The exact opposite of the truth. Trump hatred will turn you into someone pathologically divorced from reality.

10 posted on 03/02/2021 6:35:45 PM PST by firebrand
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To: DoodleBob

That’s fine Mr. Kristol. Go ahead and pin your hopes on our new virtual President Humpty Dumpty.


11 posted on 03/02/2021 6:41:47 PM PST by lee martell
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To: DoodleBob

Kristol has always been a little fag, screw’em.


12 posted on 03/02/2021 6:42:05 PM PST by blam
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To: DoodleBob

He’s donated to Ralph Northam where’s the suspense here?


13 posted on 03/02/2021 6:47:42 PM PST by Lod881019
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To: DoodleBob

Never met a war for Israel’s perceived benefit that he did not advocate spilling American blood & treasure for.

Now, we’re bankrupt & done.


14 posted on 03/02/2021 6:48:55 PM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: DoodleBob

Well said Comrade Kristol.


15 posted on 03/02/2021 6:50:11 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The veil of civilization is only 9 meals thick. )
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To: DoodleBob

I like this idea.

The natural home of Bill and the rest of the RINOs _IS_ the Democrat Party.

The GOP is now Trump’s Party.


16 posted on 03/02/2021 6:51:35 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The FBI used to go after communists. Now it is run by communists. The American Stasi.)
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To: DoodleBob

I hope the Republicans that assisted in the Big Steal choke on their “accomplishment”.


17 posted on 03/02/2021 6:52:44 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: DoodleBob

The worms go in, the worms go out,
The bugs play pinochle on Kristol’s snout.

What a soulless prick this treacherous worm is.


18 posted on 03/02/2021 7:06:07 PM PST by Quentin Quarantino
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To: DoodleBob

>>the best way some of us who’ve been conservatives can now help the country is to help the Biden administration succeed, and help the Democratic party move to the center,

The Left including Joseph Stolen have NO interest in moving to the center or uniting this country.

They are out for blood and have been for years.

Master Obama said that winning is the best revenge.

Chuck Schumer has said that elections have consequences and among them are petty punishments against the states that did not support them.


19 posted on 03/02/2021 7:09:51 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity. )
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To: DoodleBob

As one cadaver to another...


20 posted on 03/02/2021 7:41:30 PM PST by Migraine ( Liberalism is great (until it happens to YOU).)
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