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A Reader investigates Hydroxychloroquine treatments for Covid-19
The Sand Mountain Reporter ^ | 09/01/2020 | John Horton

Posted on 09/01/2020 12:43:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Dear Editor,

I enjoyed your article a couple of weeks back. I have told myself repeatedly I probably need to let go of this. Something-for good or ill - just won’t let me.

I was an engineering scientist in the space program for 20 years and successfully contributed to breeding a strain of varroa resistant honeybees (verified by FDA) for about 20.

I began investigating hydroxychloroquine in early April. After I had heard mention of it I began researching it using Google Translate to translate a study by the famed virologist Didier Raoult.

To make a long story shorter, when Dr. Raoult used a hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin cocktail in covid patients in the early stages of the disease he saw the virus loads drop like a rock. This was impressive to me. Later he tried his protocol on a larger group of patients - about 1,000. His death rate was less than 1%. This was about 1/5th of the death rate (those testing positive) in America early on (I think its close to 3.5% now).

Later he produced another study of 3,700 people that showed a death rate of only .9%. What really clicked it in for me was the mean age of 45 with a standard deviation of 17. What this means essentially is that he had to have a significant number of “older people” in his group.

This wasn’t “proof” but if he was an honest researcher I thought, ”There appears to be something powerful going on here. Why don’t they send a team of specialists and confirm or deny the validity of his studies?”

All I saw were attacks on his studies. This blew my mind. I care about people, I thought any caring person would want to give it a really good lookover.

About that time (unbeknown to me) there was an American doctor, Dr. Steve Crawford, being familiar with hydroxy from his time in Africa, who started himself on hydroxychloroquine before the president mentioned it. He then (after overcoming resistance from a pharmacy) treated 52 of 64 patients that tested positive.

His results of the 52 high risk patients that he obtained permission to use the hydroxy/azith cocktail was that he lost ZERO patients. Let that sink in. Of the 12 that refused, he lost “virtually 100%.” As a thinking human being I couldn’t simply wave that off.

There is so much to write here I cannot put it all in. I will simply say that I have never seen such a promising treatment given such negative treatment from the press — even to the point of censorship.

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko published in preprint a study showing less than .85% death rate in high risk patients.

When the Henry Ford Hospital study came out with a study that showed a 50% reduction in death in those taking hydroxy, Dr. Fauci claimed that it was a “flawed study.” His only specific reason was “because many of the people given hydroxychloroquine were also given steroids, and steroids are known to help.”

My first thought was, “Why aren’t you getting excited about finding out why there was a 50% reduction in death instead of attacking hydroxy?” My next thought was, “You know, in a study that size I bet you could separate out the two variables - hydroxy and steroids - and find if they had effects independent of each other.”

Well, in a later defense of the study, they did exactly that.

Did Dr. Fauci ever acknowledge that? I have never read he did. Why did he discredit the study and then when his objections were answered not make a correction? Isn’t that the way science is supposed to work?

I will simply say I have witnessed that approach used dozens of times from a number of quarters.

I will close with the following comments. In my perplexity, about a month ago I reached out to the brilliant epidemiologist, Dr. Harvey Risch, of Yale, whose paper I had just read. He also personally communicated similar concerns.

Let me give you a couple of summary statements of his taken from his study and an article he wrote from the Washington Times 8/12/20:

“To date, there are no studies whatsoever, published or in pre-print, that provide scientific evidence against the treatment approach for high-risk outpatients that I have described. None. Assertions to the contrary, whether by Fauci, the FDA, or anyone else, are without foundation. They constitute misleading and toxic disinformation.”

Also, from his study, he asserts that the increased risk of death due to this treatment regimen is less than 1 in 10,000. It would be even less I would think for hydroxy used alone, which has been prescribed safely and without fanfare (before now) hundreds of millions of times.

I admit I may be wrong but I have yet to be convinced that the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin/zinc cocktail ­— if given upon immediate clinical suspicion of covid in high risk patients —will not reduce the overall death rate from covid by at least 50%, probably 80% or more. My honest opinion is that we are now needlessly losing 10’s of thousands of people. Whether that statement is true or not, it is wrong to shut down the debate by censorship or intimidation. I am not selling snake oil. I am simply trying to use my God given reasoning facilities to discern the truth.

I hope people will honestly and thoroughly investigate this for themselves and I appreciate having the possibility of a forum here to express my opinion.

John Horton


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covid19; hcq; hydroxychloroquine
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1 posted on 09/01/2020 12:43:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Mrs. Don-o; tellw; Huskrrrr; Jane Long; Freedom'sWorthIt; Freedom56v2; BDParrish; Phx_RC

Ping as per your request


2 posted on 09/01/2020 12:44:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

John Horton is late to the lynching.


3 posted on 09/01/2020 12:49:36 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: SeekAndFind

Must be from the Boaz/Albertville area . . . right up the road


4 posted on 09/01/2020 1:08:13 PM PDT by RatRipper ( Democrats and socialists are vile liars, thieves and murderers - enemies of good and America.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I came to the conclusion two months ago that meaningful studies on hydroxychloroquine were not being done. When the CDC prohibited its use unless it was in a registered study, I searched the database of registered studies. There were no properly designed studies in the data base to test the benefits hypothesized by clinicians for patients in the early stages of the infection. I did find some interesting information. Iran required all their studies to have hydroxychloroquine by itself as the treatment for the control group.
5 posted on 09/01/2020 1:08:15 PM PDT by GOWM (grumpy old white man)
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To: SeekAndFind

If further study finally proves that this is a good and safe treatment, the politicization and undermining of it will make the ethical standards violation of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study pale in comparison.


6 posted on 09/01/2020 1:08:31 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Foor a hint as to why this is, research the pharmaceutical advertising budget.

Congress with their powers to investigate, should be investigating the money flows between the pharmaceuticals, hospitals, TV, print media and individual doctors.

And don’t overlook Bill Gates.


7 posted on 09/01/2020 1:11:00 PM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: SeekAndFind

TDS Kills!


8 posted on 09/01/2020 1:11:24 PM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (I'll be good, I will, I will!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is very obvious. Hyroxy is cheap. The drug companies were always going to use their shills like Fauci and the politicians they own to oppose its use.

There should be Nuremberg trials for all who banned the drug or discouraged its use. They are mass murderers. Of course not one of these evil b@st@rds will pay any price at all.


9 posted on 09/01/2020 1:15:27 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: old curmudgeon

Congress is owned by Pharma.


10 posted on 09/01/2020 1:15:58 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Seruzawa

Congress and the media are owned by Big Pharma.


11 posted on 09/01/2020 1:22:22 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: GOWM

RE: Iran required all their studies to have hydroxychloroquine by itself as the treatment for the control group.

How is it turning out over there? If the results are good, shame on us. We’re even worse than that Ayatollah controlled country.


12 posted on 09/01/2020 1:25:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Hostage

RE: John Horton is late to the lynching.

Better late than never.


13 posted on 09/01/2020 1:25:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Sorry folks...

HCQ (which most of the cognoscenti already use) cannot be allowed to fix
the problem before the carefully engineered extinction level retrovirus
vaccines and the accompanying global contact tracing schemes are in
feverishly high demand.

There are many trillions of dollars to be made, and a global population to
drastically reduce.

(Wishing the above was clearly outside the realm of possibility, but it’s not.)
(We’re still calling most of our DNA “Junk” simply because we don’t
understand it. NO, we do NOT know what we’re doing with these new RNA vaccines. Not by a long stretch.)

See Dr’ Fauci’s own words about the necessary penetration of fear...

The agendas at play here are not yours.

~Easy


14 posted on 09/01/2020 1:28:34 PM PDT by EasySt (Say not this is the truth, but so it seems to me to be, as I see this thing I think I see #KAG)
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To: Jamestown1630

A starting point:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/01/healthcare-industry-spends-30b-on-marketing-most-of-it-goes-to-doctors/


15 posted on 09/01/2020 1:29:34 PM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: SeekAndFind

This Swiss Study covers a lot of issues and has some excellent links
https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/

Faucis blind bias is glaring when you look at how he pushed the toxic drug remdesivir through with flawed tests and nowhere near the standards he demands of HCQ


16 posted on 09/01/2020 1:37:51 PM PDT by silverleaf (A live Biden speech is like a solar eclipse: rare, and leaves everyone in the dark)
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To: SeekAndFind
These studies (Iran) would not answer the question of whether hydroxychloroquine was useful. They really only answer the question of whether an additional drug provided a benefit. I haven't checked on how they are fairing in the Covid war
17 posted on 09/01/2020 3:11:18 PM PDT by GOWM (grumpy old white man)
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To: Jamestown1630

I would love to see a study on the incidence of covid among those who already take it for arthritis or lupus.


18 posted on 09/01/2020 3:54:40 PM PDT by Ann de IL
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To: SeekAndFind

The attempted debunking of hydroxychloroquine (+zinc + zpak) should be the biggest medical scandal in the past 100 years. The efforts to shut down HCQ has killed tens of thousands of people.


19 posted on 09/01/2020 4:00:12 PM PDT by FreedomForce
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To: Ann de IL

Or the ones who have a standing prescription because they travel routinely to malaria-infested regions.


20 posted on 09/01/2020 4:10:42 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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