“The founding fathers revolted, they never claimed anything else or expected England to just let them go. So did the southern rebels but they claimed to be legally leaving by secession. A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution.”
That is an interesting comment.
Can you show me in the Declaration of Independence where you find the word revolted? Or rebellion?
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government,”
Throwing off a government is a violent act.
Can you show me in the Declaration of Independence where they use the word secession or that they expected England to just let them go?