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1 posted on 03/19/2019 7:16:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Yeah, but if everybody doesn’t go to college, how will the anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-Christian left indoctrinate so many at their own expense?


2 posted on 03/19/2019 7:23:57 AM PDT by all the best (You)
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hundreds of thousands of good jobs gone begging because no one wants to learn a useful trade. It’s madness.

And the madness is all subsidized by the Dept. of Education. Spending money and blowing massive student debt-bubbles for the traditional (now solidly leftist) education-industrial complex.

3 posted on 03/19/2019 7:28:59 AM PDT by PGR88
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Okay, nothing against pipefitters and so forth but education gets you higher salaries and more opportunities. Myself, last time I made under $38 an hour was in the latter 90s. I broke $100 by 1999. That didn't happen just because I worked hard, it was also education in the 70s and 80s.

Always bothers me to see people denigrate education, why Americans don't push it, don't insist on kids doing homework, etc. Without education, they put their kids on lower income, lower acheivement path. It is a universal solution to get education, to learn your way out of poverty, yet we have this mindset underway in America to do just the opposite. And the result? Many of our kids will make less than we did, far less.

Doesn't help that we've invited through H1B and other programs, and allowed illegally, tens of millions of people to take our jobs, underbid our work, drive down our wages, close out whole industries from us.

And doesn't help that we don't have apprentice or work-related education.

So many ills.

4 posted on 03/19/2019 7:29:22 AM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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Reminds me of a joke:

One morning a lawyer awoke to get ready for court that day.

He found that his drains were clogged up and he didn’t have the time to do it himself so he called an emergency plumber.

The plumber quickly arrived and in 15 minutes had the drain flowing freely.

He presented the bill to the lawyer for $500.

“Five hundred dollars! For 15 minutes work? That’s $2000 an hour! I’m a lawyer and I don’t even get that much!” exclaimed the lawyer.

“Yeah, I know,” replied the plumber, “I didn’t get that much when I was a lawyer, either.”....................


5 posted on 03/19/2019 7:29:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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What the admission scandal shows is that human nature and behavior despite various facades throughout recorded history remains unchanged.


6 posted on 03/19/2019 7:30:16 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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How much money was spent on this study?
I could have told them that for less that half whatever they paid.


8 posted on 03/19/2019 7:34:18 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (The root word of vigilante is vigilant!)
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That pipe fitter flier is probably bogus. You need connections to get into that program of that I am sure, no kid without connections is going to walk in and get the apprenticeship. It is probably law they have to post that.


9 posted on 03/19/2019 7:35:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Good post. Skilled tradespeople are often as smart or smarter than the engineers or managers they work with, just differently educated.


11 posted on 03/19/2019 7:42:42 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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Crap, I am thinking about a 2nd career as my 1st comes to a close. Pipefitter looks pretty good.


14 posted on 03/19/2019 8:07:46 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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I thought this was written by another Megan Fox.....


15 posted on 03/19/2019 8:56:16 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (My sister said the only thing that did not was the clock. GE has spare parts)
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As a "reward" for working on the campaign of a successful candidate for governor, I was appointed to the Board of Trustees of the local community colleges. I was very impressed with the students who were seeking skilled jobs. Most of the nurses in our area had graduated from our nursing school. Our graduates in the skilled trades had no problem getting jobs. I'm all for community colleges and getting people into skilled trades. Those are the people who keep the machinery going.
19 posted on 03/19/2019 9:32:03 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF.)
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Great article. I’ve been railing about the uselessness of higher education, in particular LIBERAL ARTS, for years! What is the point of all of these mushy degrees where the only job you are really qualified for is to teach others the same mushy crap?

I wish I had known back then what I know now, and without a doubt I would have gotten a computer science degree instead of “political science”. Instead, I ended up teaching myself programming, a trade that I love, and has been really useful for my family. My MA in Latin American Studies from a “prestigious” school (didn’t seem so prestigious while going there, although seeing a professor on CNN seemed cool at the time) is only good for being able to understand just what a disaster the border and Venezuela are. That’s about it.

In Alaska, these supposed “blue collar” jobs have pretty awesome pay rates - whereas the guy with his libbo degree from wherever has few real options when he comes back from school.

There are incredible online opportunities right now - programs with certification in all kinds of areas, many of them FREE! And via places like Coursera you can take classes from schools like Stanford, MTI, Columbia - I audited one on algorithms that was really helpful for my programming. For free. But they have ways to earn actual college credit, or certification tracks as well - that many tech companies recognize.

I’ve told my kids that I want them to begin looking at online college courses, even just to audit - by the midway point in high school, if not earlier. There is no way I’m paying for a kid to wander around figuring out what seems “cool” at some liberal puke university, where 90% of the kids are drunk 50% of the time.

When my first was due to start preschool I had a great talk with our doctor about “socialization” of children, and whether to homeschool my son for preschool. He pointed out that at least 1/2 of the “socialization” taking place is NEGATIVE, and to keep that in mind. When you think about the kind of socialization occurring on most college campuses, it’s scary.

If one of my kids ends up really interested in some cool field that really demands big level mentors, and they have the chops to get into some big name school - we’ll undoubtedly support it - but no kid of mine will meander into college thinking that it is a cool place to “go to parties and experience game days”.


22 posted on 03/19/2019 9:43:17 AM PDT by nerdgirl
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I attended college in the 90s... not in any particularly prestigious university (Pitt).

Unlike most there, I knew before I got there what I wanted to do and study, and had known for years.

Within weeks of arriving there, I knew a good 50-70% of my peers attending had no real business being there. Some were not academically gifted at all, and truly could only not end up failing out if they took courses that were pretty much give mes. Many others, truly had no direction, which is fine, I know at 18 years old, not everyone knows what they want to do with their life, but of this set, many could not articulate, when asked, why they were even in college.... It was just “what you did”.

The University was happy to take their money... but sadly they were a distraction in many ways to folks who were truly their for academic reasons. When you only have 3 50 minute classes a week, and 15 minutes of each class is being taken up by folks who really should not be there, for various reasons, that harms everyone else.

I am sure its even worse now... College is NOT for everyone, and that’s OKAY! I really wish America would wake up to this reality.


28 posted on 03/19/2019 10:11:14 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Much of this issue/problem (or “crisis” as media likes to describe it) can be laid at the feet of dearest michael and barry obama...

They constantly were yipping about how everyone should go to college...and changed the student loan program making it super easy for anyone/everyone to get loans....

Fast forward to 2019—Now we have trades jobs going unfilled while unskilled millennials have racked up thousands of dollars in debt.

Thanks to WORST PRESIDENT/RESIDENT EVER :(


30 posted on 03/19/2019 10:33:44 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (#KATE'SWALL Build it Now)
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