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To: OneVike

Except in a few cases of doctor-caused addiction, it is a CHOICE made by the addict. Nobody pinned him down and forced a needle into his vein, or forced a powder up his nose, or lit up a lump of stuff and forced him to inhale it. I do feel for you and the others affected by addictive behavior and its inevitable results, but they bring it upon themselves with little or no thought of you or others.

My partial solution? Execute drug dealers, from street level to kingpin. No plea bargains, one appeal, then kill ‘em!


3 posted on 05/22/2018 8:36:28 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: JimRed

I don’t believe in addition. I believe in choice. People enable drug users when they allow them to claim they don’t have control.

Why is it that a drunk can go to an AA meeting and not drink when nothing physical happens there? No one holds them down or takes a drink from their hands. Because it is a choice not to drink.


5 posted on 05/22/2018 8:38:50 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: JimRed

Well stated.


6 posted on 05/22/2018 8:40:33 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: JimRed

You don’t understand addiction at all. There comes a time when it’s not a choice and I do not expect you to understand that at all. We’re not just talking about heroin, booze, pills, cocaine...People will always find what they are looking for. The most destructive of all? BOOZE and you can get that at your local corner convenience store.


10 posted on 05/22/2018 8:47:04 AM PDT by Hildy (There)
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To: JimRed

“Except in a few cases of doctor-caused addiction,”

it’s not a few, it’s a lot.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/opioids/opioid-overdose-crisis

prescription opioid pain killers like Oxycodone and Fentanyl are EXTREMELY addictive, with most people being addicted after using for only two weeks, and many after only a week.


14 posted on 05/22/2018 8:49:54 AM PDT by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: JimRed
My partial solution? Execute drug dealers,

You're an emotion-driven idiot. First, the dealers are killing each other, and their customers, at a very decent rate already. Second, once you allow Government to start lowering the bar on who can be executed because they "aren't good for society", you open the door permanently to the worst tyranny imaginable. Thirdly, you lack of compassion for those in a living Hell from their own choices is despicable. We all make mistakes. Further, many (most?) who run to hard drugs have some emotional pain they are desperate to escape (rape by parents being the most common for young girls).

16 posted on 05/22/2018 8:59:56 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: JimRed

“Except in a few cases of doctor-caused addiction, it is a CHOICE made by the addict.”

Drug use is always a choice and addiction is a consequence of that choice.

People chose to be addicts.


17 posted on 05/22/2018 9:00:38 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: JimRed
Most of the Kingpins are: pharmaceutical company CEO's (or downstream operatives), government officials and/or operatives, leaders of cartels, warlords, etc.

Talk is cheap, how do you implement your solution?

19 posted on 05/22/2018 9:01:27 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Idiocracy is Prophecy!)
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To: JimRed
Amen, brother. I took an online course from Harvard Medical School extension on the Opioid Crisis. The first exercise was a word map, you were asked to identify 4 terms that came to mind when you thought of the opioid crisis. None of my terms mapped, because they were outside the range of the terms selected by the several thousand people who had taken the course already. Terms like "personal responsibility", or "indulgence" to not connect with the language used by medical professionals to discuss the epidemic. They bend over backwards to ignore the fact that the vast majority of addicts became addicted to opioids by choice.

The rather rude and pungent question that I ask about the crisis is - are the right people overdosing in this epidemic?

23 posted on 05/22/2018 9:05:19 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: JimRed
My partial solution? Execute drug dealers, from street level to kingpin. No plea bargains, one appeal, then kill ‘em!

That include saloon owners
33 posted on 05/22/2018 9:21:43 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: JimRed
it is a CHOICE made by the addict.

See my post above. Better start rethinking your choice of words.

55 posted on 05/22/2018 10:17:35 AM PDT by RedWing9 (Jesus Rocks Zero Sucks)
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To: JimRed
My partial solution? Execute drug dealers, from street level to kingpin. No plea bargains, one appeal, then kill ‘em!

We need real solutions, not fantasy ones.

72 posted on 05/22/2018 11:03:55 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: JimRed

The confusion arises from defining addiction as something a person IS, rather than something a person DOES. A person can “be” an alcoholic even though he never touches booze. A person can be an addict without ever using drugs.

Behaviorists would disagree.

The “being” part may not be a choice, any more than a person chooses to be diabetic or have cancer. But the “doing” — drinking, using, gambling, etc. — those are choices.


77 posted on 05/22/2018 11:52:23 AM PDT by IronJack (A)
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To: JimRed
Except in a few cases of doctor-caused addiction, it is a CHOICE made by the addict.

You must not have read the whole article; or if you did, you didn't understand his having had painkillers administered in childhood, then serious pain from a hip replacement in early adulthood, and then another hip replacement -- all before even out of his 30s.

It's still no excuse; but it's not just a casual recreation, either. Doctors are in great part to blame for overprescribing, not taking good histories including ethnic vulnerabilities and any family pattern of addiction, not following up any patients to whom they have prescribed these slow-acting poisons, and not developing effective interventions for patients who do have trouble getting off the pain meds.

102 posted on 05/22/2018 3:56:45 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We're even doing the right thing for them. They just don't know it yet. --Donald Trump, CPAC '18)
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To: JimRed

You nailed it. And it’s patients like me who FDA BLACK BOXED drugs destroyed my health and cause Intractable Pain, with no cures, no hope of them, no surgeries to fix anything that are paying the price of those who use Illegal Drugs.

If not for those horrible FDA Black Boxed drugs I’d not have a ruined GI tract, vision issues, Osteoporosis, or a degenerative spine that causes Neuropathy. All OA Drugs are Black Boxed for GI/Heart Disease, Hypertension drugs ALL come with GI/VISION issues. PPI’s destroy your bones. 14 drug reactions to Neuropathy meds and they want to take away the only 1 that works fairly well for a decade.

I’d just be dealing with Fibromyalgia and Hypothyroidism.
NOT a Enlarged Heart with Mitral Valve leak, Ruined GI tract, Vision issues, Degenerative Spine, Neuropathy, and Hypertension, that can’t be treated. ER trips are a pain in the A@@ for Gastro issues. The new lowest Pain Med won’t even treat a headache. Much less the Hypertension 1. Failure to monitor that can lead to a heart attack.


111 posted on 05/23/2018 6:43:11 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO Wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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