Posted on 06/22/2015 11:33:01 AM PDT by C19fan
For 26 years, Pete Rose has kept to one story: He never bet on baseball while he was a player.
Yes, he admitted in 2004, after almost 15 years of denials, he had placed bets on baseball, but he insisted it was only as a manager. But new documents obtained by Outside the Lines indicate Rose bet extensively on baseball -- and on the Cincinnati Reds -- as he racked up the last hits of a record-smashing career in 1986. The documents go beyond the evidence presented in the 1989 Dowd report that led to Rose's banishment and provide the first written record that Rose bet while he was still on the field.
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so this is the original notebook? why again, was it held for all these years when this could have settled the issue back in the 80’s???
It seems like the only ones whining are people who think it's unfair that "Charlie Hustle" has to pay the penalty for breaking the rules.
Yeah, instead of him only getting 4,256 hits in his career he would have gotten 6,000 but he bet against his team and his own performance.
Cite?
Which is why you're arguing on a baseball thread.
You'd never get a Reds baseball signed by Pete Rose in 1979 or 1980 because he was playing for the Phillies then.
I have no reason not to believe you but I think you're off by a couple of years :)
if he bet on his own time to win...he betting on himself.. how is that a problem..he is pay to win by the team and by the bet...really do you want a player that would not bet on themselves to win?
And if he bet on a game he was not involved in..there no conflict.
only if he bet on the other team in a game he was part of would be a conflict of interest
bet on his own time = bet on his own team
A friend of mine was a player in the Cincy farm system when Rose was manager. During spring training, in the morning Rose would pick some kid who wasn’t going to rate higher than AA and sent him over to the dog track across the street to make his bets. In the afternoon, Rose was never seen at the Reds complex; he went to the dog track himself to gamble all afternoon.
My friend told me Rose knew more about baseball than anyone he ever met, but his personal life was a total disaster.
Rose was an ass, and for betting on baseball and lying about it, he does not deserve to make an acceptance speech in Cooperstown. But for his ability, I would consider letting him in posthumously.
Also, I would let him in before I let in Bonds, McGwire, Sosa or Rodriguez. I would never, ever allow them in the HOF.
There are three statutes in the lobby of Cooperstown when you come in; they are there not because of who they were as players, but who they were as people:
Lou Gehrig
Jackie Robinson
Roberto Clemente
Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, and Alex Rodriguez do not belong in their company.
I am not going to do the homework for people too lazy to read actual books.
Go read biographies of people in baseball and people who hung out with players in that era.
Not everything is on the Internet. Actually, even stuff that is doesn’t stay. The assertion that once things were online they were there forever proved not to stand up to the reality of worn out servers often not being replaced, and hosting having a ccost to somebody.
Start with biographies of the heavier boozers.
It won’t be hard to find.
Pete Rose was a great player, but greatest hitter of all time? He isn’t even in the top 10.
Batting average, OBP, RBIs, HRs, he isn’t in the top 10 in any one of those categories. In the all-important OBP, he ranks 212th. In my opinion, RBIs rank second in importance and there he ranks 103rd.
Great player. Great hitter, but not the best.
If you don’t like to see real stupidity being pointed out for what it is, carrying on about a children’s game on a politics and news forum is probably not your brightest option.
You’re right. Must have been ‘78, because this family member played for the Reds ‘78 to ‘80.
If there’s stupidity on this thread it’s people that think a multi-billion dollar business is a children’s game. Really the whole “children’s game” argument shows a complete lack of knowledge of history and how things work. Sports are invented by adults for adults and eventually work their way down to kids. Kids play adult games.
Meanwhile there’s the serious issue here of organized crime and game fixing. Not to mention the simple matter of rules and their enforcement. Want to talk about children, how about teaching kids that when the rulebook says “lifetime ban” it really does mean banned for your life.
There’s a bunch of problems. First baseball lost a ton of credibility with the Black Sox scandal. Then of course there’s the fact that it’s illegal and run by organized crime, really not a group of people you want your players associating with. Then there’s what happens when you lose, and now you’re indebted to these mobsters, how does one payback that debt. Look at the Boston College scandal that happened during the time Rose was gambling.
It’s a bad stink no sport wants around them.
If he was in any other sport he would have been in long ago, but that’s what makes the baseball Hof better than the other ones, even for all its flaws. It’s the only one that doesn’t have a mandatory minimum number inducted every year. The result is being even more well known for not being in for some controversy, such as Rose.
Freegards
All those things are simply leisure pass times.
None of them are more important than sitting and reading a book, or chatting over are cup of coffee. Or watching some old sitcom rerun for television people.
These are all mere diversions. Ridiculous amounts of money do not elevate them to impractical events, it just separates people who had money to burn on their relaxation from a portion of it.
Organized crime always preys on people who are foolish with their money, so of course there is a lot of it where you have a group of people who are by their mental outlook very loose with their money. You can't remove crime from the suckers unless you teach the suckers to be more circumspect with their finances.
The problem with suckers is that there's one born every minute, and two to take him.
SO WHAT?
Leisure past times make money. And there’s nothing wrong with that. The human brain requires relaxation.
When organized crime gets an angle into sports it hits more than just people foolish with their money. Game fixing attacks the industry. We’ve got enough businesses taking on water in the country without adding to that list. You might not be able to remove the crime from the suckers but you CAN remove the suckers from the league. Hence the lifetime ban.
It’s not that he just bet on games he managed or played in. He owed $400,000 at one point during that time period according to the report that just came out. Thus he and the game, very susceptible to whatever heavy handed pressure organized crime chose to apply or might have chosen.
On the other hand, I had a friend who told me that after Pete served his short federal sentence for income tax evasion he had a community service condition as part of his supervision. He did it willingly without the “attitude” of a “big shot” athlete.
Lew
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