Posted on 05/06/2014 6:59:44 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Fox News reported yesterday that Kiev is sending an "elite National Guard" to Odessa, and today the International Business Times reported that Kiev is sending an "elite National Guard" to Slavyansk.
Who makes up the ranks of this elite National Guard when Vice News reported on March 19, 2014 - in their article "A look Inside Ukraine's Volunteer National Guard" - and in it said then that Ukraine had - by its own admission - only 6,000 combat-ready troops?
Looks like Kiev didn't/doesn't have a pot to even... much less an "elite National Guard."
BTW, Vice News was the news outfit whose reporter Simon Ovstrovsky was - thankfully - released on/around April 24, 2014.
There is an online article "EuroMaidan creates National Guard units" 1/29/2014.
In the article, it is reported that the National Guard is made up of Maidan Self-Defense, Right Sector represented by one of its units, "The Vikings" and Cossacks.
Made up of Right Sector, represented by one of its units “The Vikings,” Maidan Self-Defense, and the Cossacks,
Check out this article on Kiev’s “EuroMaidan National Guard.”
You are deliberately misrepresenting what the actual article had to say. You’re trying to make it look like the National Guard is made up only or primarily of Right Sector members. In fact, the article says it is taking volunteers, and the Right Sector members and their units are using the opportunity to join. The article is silent about what the actual percentage of the National Guard recruits are Right Sector and not Right Sector.
Maybe that’s why the Jews we warned to be prepared to leave. The Neo-Nazis are coming.
Does Putin sending Chechen terrorists to Ukraine make him a Nazi?
Or are only Ukrainian patriots defending themselves against Russian chauvisim Nazis?
I’m trying to understand the logic here. It appears there is none.
Maybe that’s why the Jews we warned to be prepared to leave. The Neo-Nazis are coming.
Yes, it’s been reported Chechen terrorists have arrived in Ukraine. Best everybody leaves.
The EuroMaidan article said that Right Sector, Cossacks, maidan Self-Defense were all part of Kiev's National Guard.
No one knows what percentage of Right sector makes up this National Guard. I never said that I knew what percentage they made up.
But your quick knee-jerk reaction is quite telling.
“using the opportunity to join.” As if they would be told no?
I have said that Putin is a thug more times than I can count, because he is, but I also think that we should stay out of this, as Obama has the anti-Midas touch (Syria, Libya (Benghazi), Obama adm. support for Muslim Brotherhood which has partly led to Isreal, unfortunately, being closer to Russia than they are the U.S. and because McCain is RINO.
Maybe I am wrong, but are you in support of interventionism in Ukraine?
The overwhelming majority of Americans, tea Partiers, etc aren't.
On this issue I would not absolutely trust Fox. I haven’t seen any of their reporting that wasn’t second hand and sometime questionable and other times incorrect especially if the original source was Russian disinformation that was picked up and rebroadcast by the European media. Fox isn’t trying to deceive anyone. They simply don’t have the expertise or contacts to make sense of the mess.
There is no question that the military was deprived of funding under Yanukovych and his ministers. What many don’t know is Ukrainians were involved with us in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yahoo News, NPR, NBC News, etc, have all reported what Fox News did - that Kiev has sent/is sending an “elite National Guard” to Odessa
So, not only Fox News, but NBC News, NPR, Yahoo News, (and many others as well) have reported that Kiev is sending an “elite National Guard” to Odessa.
And many from the right and left are reporting the same for Slavyansk - Kiev is sending an “elite National Guard” there.
What should be noted is... what is Kiev doing?
Right Sector?
Right Sector stinks up the joint as bad as the Commies that were in the VR.
We need everyone here at FR saying that they BOTH “stink the joint up.”
That will tell us all quite a bit....
“The overwhelming majority of Americans, tea Partiers, etc aren’t.”
There you go again with yet another false statement. You don’t know your statement to be the truth, because it isn’t the truth. You have adopted false propaganda, because you want to believe it regardless of where it originated and regardless of the ultimate cost in lives after the totalitarians have been given the time and resources to become a much greater threat than they already are. Had the Allies strictly enforced the First World War Armistice terms, Germany and Hitler’s NAZI regime would have been put out of business with a minimal loss of life and treasure. World War Two in Europe as we know it with the loss of tens of millions of lives would not have occurred. Yet you agitate to make the same mistake again and look for excuse after excuse to avoid confronting the burdens of taking out the trash before it hurts someone very badly.
Why? They have a terrible economy and dire needs at home. Neither country had threatened Ukraine. They were propping up a US government adventure that most US citizens don't support.
What this means in Ukraine is that training for that war is yet another source of residents who can fight a war. Why does the US want to stir up that hornet's nest?
Whoa... Step back from the coffee mug...
It is McCain and other RINOS that are for interventionism.
April 30, 2014 poll from Wall Street Journal/NBC News finds that only 19% of Americans want Washginton DC to be “more involved” in oversaes interventionsim.
According to the Wall Street Journal the finding are indicative of “an anti-interventionist current that sweeps across party lines” in the U.S.
Sweeps across party lines.
Do you want more polls that show the same thing? I imagine not.
Then you follow up your strawman that I dealt with with just more baseless Ad Homs that are hollow and false.
If you have evidence that most Americans support intervention in Ukraine, please show it. Support for us to fight on the eastern front, and have a military confrontation with Russia is seen nowhere.
Huff and puff all you want, but by your standard there is not a single war on earth that we could not be dragged into.
If this is such a world threat and menace, then why are Germany, France, Czech republic, Poland, the Netherlands, etc all not intervening RIGHT NOW in Ukraine? It should affect them the most, right?
And if they are unwilling to go intervene, or cannot see a threat, then it isn’t our responsibility to run “save” them.
You chose to not link to the actual articles. Instead you chose to author the post yourself, and then in the first response post you went to the trouble of commenting only upon the presence of the Right Sector volunteers. AS the material you posted stands, its singular references only to the presence of the Right Sector volunteers strongly implies you are reporting to the readers any nus which may attach to the Right Sector must now also attach to the elite National Guard of the Ukraine. You focus on the presence of the Right Sector in the National Guard is the one and only theme present in what you personally wrote.
“If you have evidence that most Americans support intervention in Ukraine, please show it. Support for us to fight on the eastern front, and have a military confrontation with Russia is seen nowhere.”
He made the statement, let him provide the evidence supporting the statement.
Agaian, he Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. 4/30/2014 (just one of others that could be cited):
The anti-interventionism in America stretches across party lines.
Jeb Bush can forget being president, as can Chris Christie, or any other establishmnet Repub/RINO.
Yes, and few Americans are aware of the Ukraine’s and Russia’s NATO Partnerships.
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